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hey everyone

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welcome to dfr webcast today's guest is

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going to be david curtis

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and david is an author of several

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different books but more importantly

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he has a lifetime of experiences that i

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would like to hear about

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and they touch on variety of different

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subjects so

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as always i'm gonna let the guests get

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into their background information

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so let's get to it well thank you david

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for

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thank you

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well and just for everyone else watching

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start out with a little bit of

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background information about you and how

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did you first get into this and we can

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go from there

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really came into my life

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about 30 years

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after i was born so i was born in 45

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1945 and i had my first ufo experience

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in 1976

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so i'm english and i and i was raised in

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and if i look

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if i look back at my childhood

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in fact throughout my adult life my

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my my very first memory very clear

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memory

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is as a child probably less than two

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i'm standing in a wooden crib a lattice

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crib and it's by the fireplace

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and i'm looking i'm looking on

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down at the floor and on the floor is a

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is a red

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fire engine and um

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it's a scarlet colored fire engine

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and there's a sense of light there's a

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sense of kind of

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golden light and

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my feeling is that that's

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possibly a screen memory simply because

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there are no other memories in my

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childhood

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um in in that way

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there's a certain way you remember

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things

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and it's like you know it's like in a

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compartment

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so the next um

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memory is when i'm four years old

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and i'm lying in bed it's probably

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in the evening it's dark

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and i see some flickering lights

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near the ceiling and they're kind of

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radiating along

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the top of the wall and

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i feel that my body the the energy in my

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is expanding into the room like filling

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the room

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and that makes me nervous

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and i put my head under the pillow

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and i see these entities

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and that's all i remember i just see

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these entities

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so you've got these two memories

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that stand out together they seem to be

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linked together

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and they don't seem to be associated in

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normal linear memory you know you have a

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linear memory

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a sense of your childhood and going to

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school and all of that

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but these two memories definitely stand

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apart

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so i i think the first ones are screen

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and the the

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curiously enough the red fire engine

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could be

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and which is the chariots of helios

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the the great god

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of the sun so i'll move forward

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to the timeline 15 and

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at the the age of 15 my mother

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separates from my father and my brother

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goes with my

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mother and i'm left with my father

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and my sister is married to an american

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to the usa and

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spend time with my sister so

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i end up living in portsmouth new

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hampshire

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which is on the coast just very close to

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and probably about 40 miles from boston

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massachusetts

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so we're living in this um

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housing project called gosling meadows

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and it's opposite the entrance to the

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peas air force base

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now my brother-in-law was stationed in

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in upper hayford near oxford

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and he transfers to peace air force base

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and when he's debunked he works as a lab

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technician

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in the local hospital

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upper heyford and

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peace air force base they're part of the

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strategic air command

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which is a defense of the american

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defense system

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and they they deal with nuclear missiles

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now the bomber unit the bomber unit in

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peace air force base originally came

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and that would have made the connection

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the roswell incident i don't know if

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patterson right i think

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the the the air base there but i know

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it it's in that area and they

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transferred

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to peace air force base and there's also

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a nuclear submarine

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base in ports of new hampshire

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so my brother-in-law gets me a job in

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the pies air force base

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in the offices club and i'm just washing

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glasses on the weekend to make some

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and i'm probably 16 by then

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now i knew nothing about ufos or

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anything like that until i had my first

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experience in

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1976 so this is 1961.

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now i i've only i only found out

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probably in the in the 80s

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that in peace air force base

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the most important abduction case was

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being investigated

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the the betty and barney hill

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um abduction case

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right at the very time i was actually

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working there

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now another interesting point

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is that my brother-in-law is planning to

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let me live with

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with his in-law with his parents

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in vermont near quebec canada

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so he he he and i in the fall

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of 1961 we drive up through

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new hampshire the main highway which is

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and that's where the betty and barney

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hill abduction case took place

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in the white mountains and we got to a

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colebrook and that's where they passed

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through corporate

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and i ended up living not farting called

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so that's that's that's what you call a

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and that seems to be a

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thread running through my life that i

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in places where very important events

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or i meet people that are connected with

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very important people

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and i actually meet important people so

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and none of it is designed i i'm

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i i'm not consciously

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manipulating anything to be in these

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they happen to me and i think that's a

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significant connection and that seems

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the case that i might have been abducted

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when i was a child that probably

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does indicate that i don't know what you

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think of that

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well have you but you haven't known

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correct it was just something that you

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know that this happened during that time

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yes it happened during that time right

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i mean i can't everyone usually would

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want to say quotico incidents but i

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there's you know there's always more you

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know to events like that

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especially you do you think it might be

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related possibly uh uh same same kind of

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contact scenario with this

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uh uh same or similar beings or what do

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you what are your thoughts

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yes well i haven't had

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i hadn't had what you would call contact

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with with aliens as such but i have

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i will get into that later where there

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have been

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um alien forms coming into my into where

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then i end up coming to new york and

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living with the family while

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while i'm attending high school in

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poughkeepsie pickups is about

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50 50 60 miles north of new york city on

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and i go to stony brook university

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long island the state university of new

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york at long island

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about 20 miles from manhattan and of

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and in the 80s which is another

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synchronicity um dan burrish

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microbiology because i had a very good

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science department

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and he was the one that worked at ariel

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one was supposed to have a

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contact with the rep um with with the

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i think it was from set of reticular

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where where the hills

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the um the time cube the

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the yellow cue from the constellation

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anyway after university i go back from

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long island to poughkeepsie

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and then i move across the hudson river

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in a place called new pulse and there's

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new poll state university i went there

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for a while to do

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said would you like to meet timothy

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leary

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and so we drove out in his corvette we

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to this house in millbrook this big

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um country estate in millbrook

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and timothy leary was there

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doing lsd experiments well i didn't know

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who timothy leary was

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i didn't know what the drug culture was

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then i i moved back to oxford

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i had what's called an awakening what

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what they call in meditation

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tend to see life from a spiritual point

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the kind of universal mind

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anyway i came back to oxford

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i went to art school for a while and

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eventually i went to india to to study

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the religion

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and i met obama a very famous llama

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panagiorika govinda and he

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he was involved in the writing of the

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book of the dead

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which was a big influence on timothy

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leary

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and the psychedelic revolution going on

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in california

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and in fact leary and

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and another guru called ramdas they

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actually visited

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the llama that i i visited and i

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actually lived next door

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to him for a number of months

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so so i come back to to oxford

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and i eventually um

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visited the school of krishnamurti who's

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a

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princeton

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to be um in you know his kind of favor

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quantum physicist and he

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worked with oppenheimer in

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berkeley and

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of course oppenheimer got involved with

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the atomic bomb

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and and david byrne ended up in

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birkbeck college london london

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university

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he actually did experiments paranormal

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experiment

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yuri geller was actually valid you know

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he validated

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yuri gala and yuri galla was

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also investigated in in the sri the

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stanford research institute

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by harold cutoff and russell targ

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yuri gathering to prominence the israeli

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psychic yuri gala metal bending

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um was andre pew pew

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pew pew jarek

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now andre pew jared was a kind he he

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investigated paranormal in america

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he was involved with the cia possibly

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involved with

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mk ultra and my lab

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and he did a he lived in

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maine which was wasn't very far from

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portsmouth and this was in the late 50s

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and he did

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he did experiments with what he called

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the nine so he had five

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he had nine very influential people from

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from um found very important families

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like the melons

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and they sat around a round table

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and communicated with the nine which was

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supposed to be

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interdimensional extraterrestrials

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and i think i think they got some valid

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in

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visited

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timothy leary and millbrook while

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pugheric

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actually moved to a place called

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pleasant valley which was in between

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millbrook and poughkeepsie

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he moved there in in the late 50s

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and was working with probably the cia

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and the paranormal and mind control that

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kind of idea

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so again and also not far

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from there was um the ibm

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um super super intelligent computer

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it's a very big ibm's um

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poughkeepsie and the person i lived with

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in high school was a

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was a consultant for ibm and he had

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patents out

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with ibm and he got me a job after high

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school before going to college

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in ibm and i worked on the apollo rocket

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this would have been 1964

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60 yes 64. so i again i was involved

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with that kind of like

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the space thing so anyway

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so i'm in england that i get involved

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with krishnamurti have

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have experiences with him have a

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conversation with

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professor berwin and

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um in 1976

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i i settled down in oxford again i've

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been moving about

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and um i'm living i'm living in the

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house

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arabia t.e lawrence

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and um so i'm in there and there are a

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few other people living

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it's a big big victorian house in north

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oxford

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where all the academics and the dawns

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and everything left

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and incidentally that's supposed to be

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on the lay line

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because the the person that invented the

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idea of the ley line alfred watkins

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did a diagram of oxford and showed two

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leg lines crossing in

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in the exact center of oxford and the

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one going north that's where i actually

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so

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i'm in this house and there's some

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artists and academics and that kind of

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thing

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so i have a room in a room in the back

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of the house

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and although i've never practiced any

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form of religion i wasn't brought up

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religious i've never practiced

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meditation

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i haven't practiced any form of method

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or anything like that

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i just like to sit quietly in the dark

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that's how i used to

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you know spend my evenings so i'm

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sitting

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in the back of the house overlooking the

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garden

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and uh i suppose you know you might say

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i'm in a very deep state

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because i can enter a very deep state

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and i can be awake when i'm asleep as

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well

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but anyway i can be in a very deep state

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and when you're like that you're very

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receptive very

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open you're not attached to your body

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you're not attached to your

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consciousness

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you have no sense of identity you're

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sitting

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in a in a fairly open empty

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state of mind very very deep

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and it's dark outside enough to see the

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trees

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about 40 feet 30 40 feet away

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and above the trees this light appeared

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it's a very tiny light it

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it you could say it was like a star but

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it was a very very

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it wasn't it was very um focused the

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line

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just as focused white light very tiny

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but

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did enough to see and i noticed that it

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was connecting to my

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left eye so i'm sitting there

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very open not focused myself

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and then i realized whatever that light

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is it's connecting

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going right inside my left eye

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deep into whatever you know my interior

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deep into my soul as it were

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and you know i was very curious i knew

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nothing about ufos

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in america i spent eight years and i

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never saw a ufo movie

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but nobody ever talked to me about ufos

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so i i literally

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in in terms of my memory i had no memory

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of

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ever thinking about a ufo so i didn't

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automatically think

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it was an ufo i simply didn't know

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because i

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had paranormal experiences and i've seen

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lights around people and that kind of

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thing so i was just

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interested it was just a lie so this is

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penetrating deep inside me and because

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i'm very open i'm not afraid i'm very

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open

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and there's no kind of fear base or or

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anything like that and then it it

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it moves it moves to the right as i

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watch it

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and inside it's like moving to

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the right side inside me to the right

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eye

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it feels like it's scanning the

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my interior let's put it that way you

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know non-specifically it's just

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you know scanning my interior probably

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scanning my memory etc

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and i become nervous i i feel it's

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intrusive

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you know the fascination is there of

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what the actual phenomenon is and the

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interaction but i feel it's intrusive

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and it starts to move back again

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and to to the left and i decide

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i'm gonna break this off so i get up and

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i close the curtains

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so i kind of like break off from that

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experience

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i don't have any residue of fear

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or anything negative i don't know what

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it is

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it's a very strange experience and

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um you know

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i just you know more or less carried on

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as normal

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i don't know if i started to think about

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the ufo

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whether i had that vocabulary and

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whether i i don't think i read any books

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on it

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and to give another powerful

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synchronicity to give another

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to give a support to this experience

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which is quite interesting there's

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support to my experiences which i'm not

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going to go into today that's my field

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symbols and myth and young i'm not going

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to go so much into that

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but this synchronicity dealing with

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in in the in the 90s

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i would have been 50

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and i started to read some ufo books i

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read some

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ufo books in the late 80s

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and then i read some in the late 90s

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and just just the books in the local

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library in oxford

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and i did i've never associated with any

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ufo people in england

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and i just i've just read a few books

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that are in the library i don't know

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anything about any kind of movement

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investigation

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or anything like that so

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at the time that i had my experience

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76 in the 90s

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i read a book called abduction i think

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it's called just abduction by john

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b mack now johnny mack

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was a harvard psychiatrist in cambridge

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massachusetts at harvard

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now that's probably only 30 40 miles

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away from portsmouth

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now johnny mack

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writes a definitive book on lawrence of

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arabia

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in the very year that i lived in the

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house so i lived in the house in oxford

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in 1976

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with the ufo experience i read abduction

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and

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the very year i was actually

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in in that house in england now i'm in

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oxford and he's in cambridge

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00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,799
which is interesting because in england

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you you always hear oxford in cambridge

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oxbridge it's called

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so it's always those two names and of

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course he's living in cambridge i'm

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living in oxford

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and now i believe that he

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used that word abduction from the betty

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and barney hill

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case i think he actually was referring

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to that by implication i think he was

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referring back to that

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so i think that's quite a significant um

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synchronicity so shall i carry on yes

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please

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i mean you have a lot of synchronicities

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but i love it the way you're putting

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them together

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right um so

576
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,600
in the sit in the 70s

577
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,200
i do a lot of parapsychological research

578
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,320
i meet people i go places

579
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,480
deal with healing and and

580
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,200
all the alternative new age stuff a lot

581
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:26,640
of people are into

582
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:30,720
but not the kind of new age of the

583
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:34,480
the late and uh 90s in the 90s and

584
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:37,600
so in the in the 60s 70s you know with

585
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:37,919
the

586
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:42,480
and all of that

587
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,520
you know it was quite serious you know

588
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,600
it was quite serious i actually wrote an

589
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,200
article for

590
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,440
one of the alternative magazines in

591
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:53,200
england

592
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:58,080
and um

593
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,860
so um

594
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,279
[Music]

595
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,679
i'm doing a lot of parapsychological

596
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:05,440
research

597
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,520
i go to seminars private seminars in

598
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,240
manchester college oxford uh the

599
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:14,240
religious experience unit

600
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:18,880
and they that that's a unit set up by us

601
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:22,000
which is um

602
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:26,080
in in oxford and all people from all

603
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:30,640
over the world sent to the to the center

604
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,159
um their their their spiritual

605
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,279
religious experiences

606
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,840
and so i i went to seven and nelson

607
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,399
helped

608
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:43,679
help there i

609
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,880
spent time with celia green in the

610
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,200
institute for psychophysical research in

611
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:50,640
oxford and she was a

612
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:53,679
oxford graduate and she was a member of

613
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:56,880
the society for psychical research

614
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,159
and she wrote books on apparitions

615
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,360
out of the body and her

616
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,480
main thing was lucid dreaming she

617
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,279
coined the term lucid dream so her book

618
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:11,279
lucid dreaming was the first book with

619
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,480
that title

620
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:15,039
so i worked i i helped her out in the

621
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,000
70s

622
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,399
and then in the late 80s i actually

623
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:19,919
lived there for a year

624
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:28,870
um so that's that's the seventies that's

625
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,320
how i spent my time um spending time

626
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:34,480
with christian emergency at his school

627
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:49,350
[Music]

628
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,870
84

629
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,950
i was living in this evidence of

630
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:56,559
experience when on the

631
00:31:03,669 --> 00:30:59,600
house so my

632
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,679
my kind of ufo connection is that

633
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:06,960
one evening i

634
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:10,880
just felt to open the curtain

635
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,640
and it and look just i just

636
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,679
was trying to open the curtain

637
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,840
look at the sky look in the sky so i

638
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,600
looked to my left and there was a point

639
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,640
of light

640
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,960
in this kind of grayish sky i looked to

641
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,720
my right and there was another

642
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,760
line and

643
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,640
that was it really so i closed the

644
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,310
and not thinking of that very much

645
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,559
because there's a lot of big time lapse

646
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,159
between these experiences

647
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:46,159
but not really thinking about that very

648
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,279
much

649
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:51,120
i i at the time i was writing plays

650
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:55,679
and i wrote this play this dialogue

651
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,760
between two ufos but when i was writing

652
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,919
it i wasn't necessarily

653
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,799
thinking of the two points of light in

654
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:05,760
the sky

655
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,200
i wasn't i wasn't that's not how my mind

656
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,200
works when i have an experience i tend

657
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,240
to forget it

658
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:14,240
unless i'm actually working on it and

659
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,519
integrating it

660
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:18,399
into my studies if it's just a one-off

661
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,279
theme i don't

662
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,240
tend to make a big deal out of it it's

663
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:24,480
just part of the record

664
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:28,320
so i'm writing this dialogue between two

665
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,080
ufos and this

666
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,080
is telepathic and it's as if

667
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:39,120
the two ufos are thought forms they're

668
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:39,600
actually

669
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,120
four forms and they're in dialogue

670
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,399
and i write this play

671
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,960
and for some reason like i was so

672
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:51,039
disturbed

673
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:56,559
by it i was so afraid i was so i felt

674
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:56,960
like

675
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,840
i was listening in on something very

676
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,799
private

677
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,519
you know like you might be in a room

678
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,559
next to

679
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,240
two spies talking some like cia or

680
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:10,720
mi5 or something and you didn't want to

681
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,279
have that

682
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,320
information that that's exactly how i

683
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:16,720
felt it's as if i was tuning in

684
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,080
and i felt it was maybe it was different

685
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,519
to me to do that

686
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,880
but that's not how i responded to it i

687
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,360
i just felt like it was very dangerous

688
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,840
you know i really felt it was dangerous

689
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:32,559
and i actually destroyed the manuscript

690
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,120
without

691
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:35,840
remembering what was in him i mean i was

692
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:39,679
that disturbed by it

693
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:42,960
and then i wrote another one

694
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,159
another thing i wrote was about

695
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,720
somebody dying and going to another

696
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:50,720
planet

697
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:54,480
and then coming back to to the earth

698
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,519
to california and then something to do

699
00:34:02,710 --> 00:33:59,279
with technology

700
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,720
and and crystals and finding crystals in

701
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:03,679
this mountain

702
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,039
and again i got i've got very frightened

703
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,879
and i don't remember the content it

704
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:10,480
seemed very dangerous to have that

705
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:16,310
i got rid of it so so that's a very

706
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,280
peculiar

707
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,240
because now i wouldn't feel that way

708
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,000
later on in my life i wouldn't have

709
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,599
i wouldn't feel that way but um

710
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,440
you know just like the first ufo

711
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:30,240
experience i felt it was intrusive

712
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,079
and i am a very private person

713
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,119
and the idea of even being abducted does

714
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,280
not appeal to me

715
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:42,399
and the whole the whole scenario

716
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,159
of um being suggestible to that and i

717
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:48,720
feel there's a lot of suggestibility

718
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:52,560
in people that do undergo this kind of

719
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,760
abductions i don't know you know their

720
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,599
susceptibility their suggestibility

721
00:35:04,550 --> 00:34:59,520
and maybe their fear that can be

722
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:07,990
so another experience in the house

723
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:12,880
was that i was sleeping

724
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,760
and i woke up i wasn't awake in my body

725
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,240
i was just awake like in deep sleep i

726
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,160
was like awake

727
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,280
and i was aware of my body

728
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:28,320
and i noticed something lying above my

729
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:29,040
body

730
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,760
but i saw something floating above my

731
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,480
body

732
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,280
so i'm in this deep sleep when i'm awake

733
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,000
in the deep

734
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:47,760
sleep i'm aware of my body

735
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:51,280
and i'm aware of something lying lying

736
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,200
above my body and

737
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:57,680
obviously an astral entity and that

738
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,320
astral

739
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,839
entity is a reptilian but it's not a

740
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:04,400
typical

741
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:08,079
um et reptilian as people describe it

742
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,870
you know when you when you hear

743
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,520
ideas of the devil when you hear ideas

744
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,040
of the devil

745
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,320
or satan or in the garden of eden

746
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,560
whatever it was all dragons you know

747
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,839
like dragons

748
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,680
no it was actually in the form it had

749
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,880
the tail

750
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,000
it was blue it was blue grey

751
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,440
and it was a magnificent looking animal

752
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,760
i see it as a kind of like animal it was

753
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,079
a magnificent looking animal

754
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,200
and i was really in awe and i felt well

755
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,599
i felt almost privileged to see it it

756
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,640
was just

757
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,240
it was you know i mean the beauty of it

758
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:57,200
is absolutely it's very little to do

759
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,000
with what i've

760
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:02,079
heard about et um reptilians this was

761
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,079
magnificent looking um entity

762
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,480
and that was that was it it came to an

763
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:09,359
end

764
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:13,280
and that was it and another time in that

765
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,000
room

766
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:17,119
i go up to go to the toilet in the

767
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,240
middle of the night

768
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,359
i come back in my room

769
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,640
and i feel like on stars since if my

770
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,680
room

771
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:28,079
is full of stars like i'm in the cosmos

772
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,040
and i'm kind of just

773
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,880
walking through stars that's just

774
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,800
another experience i had in that

775
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:35,520
particular room

776
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,359
and also um i'm an artist

777
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:42,560
and i i genuinely do very very

778
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:45,760
um small words of our drawings

779
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:48,960
very small maybe eight by ten

780
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,160
but i found that in that room i started

781
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,720
to do very big colorful pictures and i

782
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,960
hung them on the wall

783
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,200
so they're really really big pictures

784
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:00,720
hanging them on the wall

785
00:38:08,109 --> 00:38:04,640
so so i don't know if all that affected

786
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:08,119
my artistic expression so that's in

787
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:18,790
now we move to 1992

788
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,119
um four

789
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,160
and i have i have a vision

790
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,000
now um

791
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,119
um talks about having normal dreams you

792
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,440
have normal dreams and then you have big

793
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,640
dreams

794
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,760
which he would call visions and

795
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,000
the difference between a dream and a

796
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:43,920
vision the dream is a kind of

797
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,680
episodic like everyday life there's a

798
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,160
scene

799
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,200
it's a situation and there's a scenario

800
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:53,520
and you don't quite know what's going on

801
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:54,240
and

802
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,160
the vision

803
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:00,160
you're showing something very very

804
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,200
specific

805
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,640
it's a message and it has you know it

806
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:07,200
and and it will remain very clear in

807
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,000
your mind

808
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,800
for years and it's it's absolutely a

809
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:12,079
message

810
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,000
so i'm with this what i think is a child

811
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,480
and he's and this child is walking by my

812
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,920
side as if it's taking me somewhere

813
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,079
i find myself at the top of this

814
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,520
mountain this rocky mountain

815
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,560
and i'm face to face with what i can

816
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:32,880
only call an alien

817
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:35,920
and this alien

818
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,839
figure is probably five foot tall

819
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,000
i'm i'm nearly six foot so it's probably

820
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,000
about five foot tall

821
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,119
and the skin is wrinkled

822
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,079
it has this it seems like an old very

823
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:51,599
very wise and

824
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:57,910
very benign very very quiet

825
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,520
very benign and its skin is parchment so

826
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:02,800
it's a kind of

827
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,040
parchment color a kind of yellowy

828
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:10,160
brownie yellow very light and

829
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,240
um very very as i say very wrinkled very

830
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,240
aged

831
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,359
now i was told when i mentioned that on

832
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,400
on my interview at project cameron with

833
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,839
kerry cassidy she said that might

834
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,960
be related to andromeda because certain

835
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:30,400
people that have had

836
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,000
experiences i think but i think bob dean

837
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,800
bob dean had certain experiences and she

838
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,280
also had experiences where this entity

839
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,560
visited her

840
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:43,359
in the instagram nights in her in her

841
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,319
bedroom

842
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,800
talking to her but anyway that was a

843
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:49,200
very wise and old man

844
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,040
or figure i don't know very ancient

845
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,839
and i found myself going further up the

846
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,520
mountain

847
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,079
and looking into the cosmos deep into

848
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:01,680
the cosmos

849
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,000
and telepathically i heard

850
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,280
a statement the luminary is coming

851
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,359
that's what it said the luminary is

852
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:12,800
coming

853
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,000
now the luminary could be a very famous

854
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,040
person or it could be

855
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,640
relating to the to the to the stars

856
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,640
or say the moon and the sun their

857
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,319
luminaries

858
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:28,240
so it can have that significance of

859
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:29,440
something very an

860
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:32,640
important person like an avatar or

861
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,470
i'm certain interrupt was that meant

862
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,079
more regarding you

863
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,079
uh come to visit you or you mean

864
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,839
generally to the planet

865
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:46,240
which rich reference was this i don't

866
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,040
know

867
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,480
that's it yes it was very open

868
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:53,680
it was just this very powerful

869
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:56,800
telepathic voice just saying

870
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,560
that and um but it does relate

871
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:02,640
specifically to me

872
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,280
and my main books on my autobiography

873
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,800
about my life and

874
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,839
about mythology and ufos and such i

875
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,079
called that the luminarias coming i

876
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:17,119
called that book the luminaries coming

877
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,359
so that that's 94

878
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:24,640
and in the summer now in

879
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,160
in december 94 i have

880
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,800
i have probably what's my most powerful

881
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:31,680
vision

882
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,200
that i've ever had and it's the kind of

883
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,760
it's the central point of my life it's

884
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:39,359
like i think

885
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,640
it's when i'm 50 so i'm more or less 50

886
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,480
and it's like the central point of my

887
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:45,920
life so

888
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:49,040
so i'm

889
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:52,880
i'm awake in in deep sleep i'm awake

890
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:57,680
and i and i and i'm and i have an image

891
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,680
of my grandfather so my grandfather on

892
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,280
my mother's side

893
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,390
his name is

894
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:13,270
so i just have that and then i then i'm

895
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:13,599
in

896
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,720
golden light there's this golden light

897
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,359
it's a shower of golden light there's no

898
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,119
sense of a body

899
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,680
there's no sense of an identity it's

900
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:27,520
just like in my

901
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:31,760
kind of mind in the kind of clear mind

902
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:35,200
i'm in the shower of golden light

903
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,680
and a word comes into my mind as i'm

904
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,839
coming out of that shower of golden

905
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:42,720
light

906
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:46,400
is bliss so just this word that i don't

907
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,000
i've not really used before in my

908
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,359
vocabulary but this word bliss

909
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,560
comes into my mind and then i realize

910
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,119
i'm face to face with this

911
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,030
but it's not an entity that's got a

912
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:05,200
human form

913
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:08,960
have a

914
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,880
animal human form so

915
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,760
i'm looking in i'm only about two feet

916
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:16,480
away

917
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,079
face to face with this

918
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,359
golden mask it's a golden mask

919
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,000
it's honeycombed it has a hexagonal

920
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,880
six-sided honeycomb

921
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,240
um form to it

922
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:35,520
and and and the features over the mask

923
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:39,200
of honeycombed and

924
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:43,079
that the only other feature in this

925
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:47,040
mars which reflects the golden light of

926
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:47,839
course

927
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:51,760
it are these two black eyes

928
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,280
these two huge oval eyes which

929
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,079
which is probably you know the main the

930
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:00,640
main characteristic of the

931
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:04,800
of of the ufoet these huge

932
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,640
um black eyes and that's what stood out

933
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:10,079
to me when i read

934
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:14,240
abductions and passport to the cosmos by

935
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,560
johnny marcus's emphasis on these eyes

936
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:21,839
types of eyes and um

937
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,520
i'm looking into those eyes i can't see

938
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,880
anything other than that

939
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,599
they're kind of like obsidian glass

940
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,920
they're like black obsidian volcanic

941
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:32,880
glass or

942
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,400
what you call jet black and

943
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,440
i don't see any features in in the eyes

944
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:41,760
themselves they just seem to be black

945
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,000
that's all and they're slightly tilted

946
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:49,599
up um on the sides so they're not

947
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,240
straight

948
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:53,359
they're kind of slightly tilted up and

949
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,359
um i noticed that he's giving me

950
00:46:02,550 --> 00:45:59,119
something he has his golden

951
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,560
he has this kind of beige gold

952
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,599
uh robot he has a kind of bow bond

953
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,880
and this is it i just remembered now

954
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:11,680
a screen memory from my portsmouth days

955
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:12,160
i

956
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:37,599
to me

957
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:41,040
but to my friend standing to my left

958
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,160
behind me

959
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,640
now my friend is very very important in

960
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,160
my life

961
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,680
now my friend was a graduate of oxford

962
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,079
he did classics of oxford

963
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,839
and he's now a professor of

964
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,000
psychoanalysis

965
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,160
and his main study is young and

966
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:00,800
synchronicity and he lives

967
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:04,880
nearby a professor at the

968
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:08,560
university of essex near london

969
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:12,160
and he lived in the institute with uh um

970
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:15,760
celia greens institute with me and

971
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,920
and his his research

972
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,280
on jung and synchronicity involved

973
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,599
jung's most important case in

974
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:26,800
synchronicity

975
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:30,480
was his case of the scarab beetle the

976
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,559
the and the scarab beetle in ancient

977
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:36,240
egypt really stands for

978
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,559
death transformation in the rebirth

979
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,680
so there's a purely so

980
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,480
he's standing but this but this the

981
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,079
telepathic voice

982
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:51,359
says to him keep on with the scarab

983
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,240
material

984
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:55,280
when he says

985
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,960
that my friends i think

986
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,359
what am i going to do you know what what

987
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,160
you know

988
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,599
because we are working together with

989
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,920
colleagues and i thought well i wonder

990
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,359
what i'm going to do

991
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:10,800
and of course i i have this red cube

992
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,079
and the red cube felt

993
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,160
really heavy as if it had lead or

994
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:18,319
mercury inside this red cube

995
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,280
it's um i would say

996
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,640
um two inches two and a half inches

997
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,599
square so that it was just a smallish

998
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:30,800
hue

999
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:34,240
and i felt it felt really really

1000
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,079
heavy and i felt that was almost like

1001
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,200
my soul i felt it was like my soul

1002
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,680
and the weight of my soul almost like

1003
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,559
the heavy weight of my soul

1004
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,920
and then suddenly it it became licensed

1005
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:51,200
a feather

1006
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,280
it just felt absolutely floating

1007
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,319
almost levitating in my hand

1008
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520
and i thought that that in that queue

1009
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,520
was the work i'm going to do like a

1010
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,920
download this is the work i'm going to

1011
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,480
do the

1012
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,400
you know in my life this is the

1013
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,000
scholarly work

1014
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:12,400
i'm going to do my friend carried on

1015
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,119
with the young

1016
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,960
and synchronicity he's the foremost

1017
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:17,440
scholar in the world on that subject

1018
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:20,880
and and i felt that was my work

1019
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,589
so i see that as one aspect of the

1020
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,760
luminarias coming i see that as a

1021
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,119
luminary

1022
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,079
has come into my life an e.t a

1023
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,920
projection of the needy

1024
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:38,240
for whatever reason in that form a kind

1025
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:39,440
of god figure

1026
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,800
it's a soul of being as a star being

1027
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,200
that's what you call an ancient egypt

1028
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:47,599
now the the sense of peace in the book

1029
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,839
of the dead of the ancient egyptians

1030
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,880
is the weighing of the heart the heart

1031
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:53,760
is supposed to be

1032
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,680
the seat of consciousness in the soul

1033
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,559
and when you you weigh the heart if it's

1034
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,760
heavy

1035
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:04,400
that means you're just that you're

1036
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,040
you're

1037
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,480
other people

1038
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,680
you're telling lies but when you

1039
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,839
when when the heart is in balance with

1040
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:15,119
mark

1041
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,440
telling the truth

1042
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,920
and then your heart feels light as a

1043
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:23,359
feather that's the actual

1044
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,150
so i associate um that experience

1045
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,520
with my studies in egyptology i studied

1046
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:38,400
that very deeply

1047
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,069
that that that's

1048
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,000
that vision took place in a place called

1049
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:52,559
lancaster

1050
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,319
of lancashire in the northwest and i was

1051
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:03,440
born in the place called salford

1052
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,960
in great manchester and the house i was

1053
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:07,760
born in

1054
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,200
is my grand grandfather garnier

1055
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,680
now when i started doing my proper

1056
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,640
research on

1057
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,960
a life review of my whole life that took

1058
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:18,240
12 years

1059
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:21,920
to write called the luminaries coming

1060
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,390
um i i start i needed to study

1061
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,440
um the nature of crystals not not the

1062
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,000
crystals in the sense of magic

1063
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,160
but actually literally literally the

1064
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,839
crystal so i had some books on geology

1065
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:44,880
and i was looking up

1066
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,480
um the crystal the garnet

1067
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:51,680
i was looking up the garden

1068
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,359
and the garnet belongs to the cubic

1069
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:56,640
crystal system

1070
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,839
so the garden is literally the scarlet

1071
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,599
red cube

1072
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,440
that's actually what the garnet means

1073
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,440
and before my vision which i knew

1074
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,720
nothing about that

1075
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,880
before my vision i had the image of my

1076
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,559
grandfather the garnet

1077
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,559
and i was given the red view i knew

1078
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,000
nothing about that

1079
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,040
so that was knowledge that that being

1080
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,400
had that being it represents a higher

1081
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:21,440
knowledge

1082
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,589
so i knew nothing about that and

1083
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,800
i was born in his house

1084
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,119
and when i was born my grandfather

1085
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:37,520
grandmother looked into my eyes and said

1086
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,040
he's been here before now

1087
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,520
that could refer to reincarnation which

1088
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,000
i'm not that fond of i mean i think it's

1089
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:49,359
possible that it actually exists but i'm

1090
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:52,800
i'm not convinced about it fully but

1091
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,319
anyway but what what i think was meant

1092
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:57,680
by that

1093
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:01,280
was that she could see in my eyes

1094
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:04,640
the the idea that her

1095
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:08,800
psychic ability was transmitted to me

1096
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,400
and and and so

1097
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,960
when when i was eight years old i spent

1098
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:16,800
the summer with my grandmother and she

1099
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,200
didn't

1100
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,680
take me to places where there were

1101
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,920
psychic things going on

1102
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,079
so there's definitely a site i was born

1103
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:27,680
with that kind of psychic link

1104
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,960
um so i i mean

1105
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:34,000
so so i'm born in my grand father's

1106
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,400
house

1107
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:37,280
now the now the red queue could be seen

1108
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,760
as the

1109
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,960
engine

1110
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,760
is actually scarlet that's the color it

1111
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,000
would have been painted in those days

1112
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,880
actual real fire engines in oxford were

1113
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:50,960
painted scholar

1114
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:56,480
and and so

1115
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,079
i i see the the the fire engine the

1116
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:02,640
chariot of fire

1117
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,480
as the red cube and that links in with

1118
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,160
the vision of the et

1119
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,800
and the chariot of fire the chariots of

1120
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,240
helios

1121
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,960
and and um i believe that is the real

1122
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,000
connection

1123
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,800
because i believe that there's a

1124
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:19,839
substrate

1125
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,200
of symbolism and myth as jung would say

1126
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,480
no you might say unfolding the whole

1127
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,800
nature of consciousness and knowledge

1128
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,559
and language and culture

1129
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:33,599
is a symbolic a deeper symbolic

1130
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,119
meaning and and that's what i think

1131
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,040
now i'm going to say something that's

1132
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,760
not in any book

1133
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:44,160
i found this out in doing my research

1134
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,880
but

1135
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:47,040
i'm going to say something that people

1136
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:48,559
are always going on

1137
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,720
in in in you know um

1138
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,760
academic circles and all the facts about

1139
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,680
the promethean myth

1140
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,680
they're always talking about prometheus

1141
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,400
and the promethean myth

1142
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:05,520
now prometheus prometheus

1143
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:08,799
was a um titan so he

1144
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,480
he was in the he was um related to

1145
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,640
saturn saturn was the chief of the

1146
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,710
and um in

1147
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,990
there was the golden age in ancient

1148
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,720
greece of the earth and there was the

1149
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,119
the silver age and there was the iron

1150
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,799
age you were supposed to be in the iron

1151
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:33,839
age now

1152
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:36,880
according to greek mythology and that's

1153
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,319
where humanity becomes very violent

1154
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,319
and very technological and all of that

1155
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:44,480
very very negative

1156
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:53,430
so the the so

1157
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,359
when zeus was born to to the titan

1158
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,230
his father saturn he drove the titans

1159
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,400
into the center of the earth maybe to

1160
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:07,520
taurus

1161
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,799
so tartarus is below the earth i mean it

1162
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,520
might be related to hellfire it might be

1163
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:16,160
related to saturn and hellfire that kind

1164
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,200
of thing

1165
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,319
so you had the earth you had hades the

1166
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,000
underworld and then you had the

1167
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,160
tartarus which might be the kind of

1168
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,079
hellfire

1169
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:29,440
and zeus didn't like humanity he really

1170
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:30,000
didn't like

1171
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,240
humanity and um he's got to destroy

1172
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,319
humanity and he sent a flood and he

1173
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:39,119
almost destroyed humanity

1174
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,559
so prometheus thought well i'm going you

1175
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:44,240
know i'm going to

1176
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,319
you know help humanity so he goes to

1177
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:51,599
mount olympus which is

1178
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:54,799
where zeus has his kingdom

1179
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,589
he finds helios in his chariots of fire

1180
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,760
so he finds helius in his charity of

1181
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,720
fire

1182
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:11,680
and he breaks away he takes something

1183
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,000
from

1184
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,440
that charity fire which is a piece of

1185
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:21,750
and then he makes that a gift

1186
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,160
to humanity and humanity wakes up

1187
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:29,119
and there's a they have vision they have

1188
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,079
culture

1189
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,799
and they free themselves from zeus the

1190
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:33,760
tyrannical

1191
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,480
zeus now

1192
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,079
the the the garnier the red crystal

1193
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:45,599
garnet the cubic crystal garden

1194
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:48,880
and i must mention in the tarot deck

1195
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,160
the chariot is actually a cube

1196
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,640
so in the tarot day the charity is

1197
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,559
actually a cube

1198
00:58:03,510 --> 00:57:59,680
so i do research on the cube

1199
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:03,520
and the latin um

1200
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,799
for the garnier is granatum

1201
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,160
and granatum is um

1202
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:13,280
the pomegranate so the

1203
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:17,119
the the crystals of the um garnet

1204
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,799
resemble the seeds of the pomegranate

1205
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:23,280
so it's granatum and another root

1206
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:23,839
meaning

1207
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,079
is fermio which means

1208
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:31,359
and it refers to the scarlet dye

1209
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:35,119
that's taken from a worm so the insect

1210
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,000
or worm

1211
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,319
is the scarlet dye taken and that

1212
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,359
relates the worm the reptilian

1213
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,480
the dragon the snake that would all be

1214
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:45,599
linked together

1215
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:49,359
in mythology and um

1216
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,599
so another um in in the cubic crystal

1217
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,200
system of the garnet

1218
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,319
there are five n members the five

1219
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,680
five types one of them is pyro

1220
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,720
which means fiery eye

1221
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,000
and another one is the carbon core

1222
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:11,680
now the carbon core is the latin carbo

1223
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,119
which means carbon or charcoal

1224
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,119
so we have a direct link between

1225
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,400
charcoal

1226
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,200
and the garnet and the red cube and the

1227
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:22,640
helios's

1228
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:26,799
um charity fire and the fire engine

1229
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:30,000
now so he now this is the key

1230
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,920
point in the kundalini system which is

1231
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:35,440
based on the reptilian

1232
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:39,599
on the serpent kundalini is the serpent

1233
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:42,799
on the in that system in tibetan

1234
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,000
buddhism the tantric system

1235
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,440
you have the seven chakras and the sixth

1236
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,440
chakra is the third eye and the third

1237
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,319
eye is referred to as the carbon core

1238
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:57,920
so what prometheus gave to humanity

1239
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:01,440
i believe was was the

1240
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,720
third eye the visionary eye so they have

1241
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,440
a vision

1242
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,680
the visionary eye and that's i've never

1243
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,200
read that in any book

1244
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,359
and i know my mythology quite well in

1245
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:13,040
the classical studies

1246
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,119
so i think that's an original idea

1247
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,319
and the

1248
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,119
another thing to support that is the

1249
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,920
meaning of the word prometheus means

1250
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:26,799
fought for

1251
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:30,160
it which means which is prophecy

1252
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,079
for for it is it's a soothe sale

1253
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,799
or seeing into the future so you've got

1254
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,480
the seeing in the future

1255
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:41,359
you've got the red cube about my future

1256
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,079
work

1257
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,920
and then you've got the yellow cube from

1258
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:45,920
orion about

1259
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,160
reading reading into the future the

1260
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,200
future timeline

1261
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,599
so anyway that that that's that that

1262
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:56,240
that's that's my research

1263
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:00,960
and um so i'm in this house

1264
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:04,079
in in lancashire

1265
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:07,599
now now where i was born in lancashire

1266
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,280
salford that was founded the whole

1267
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,839
the whole county and the city i was born

1268
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:15,280
in was founded by

1269
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:19,359
robert de guerne and that's the origin

1270
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:20,160
of the name

1271
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:23,760
ghana in england robert de guerne

1272
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:26,960
and he was the seller of pomegranates

1273
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:29,680
and the latin granatum pomegranate is

1274
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,640
the root meaning of garnet

1275
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,520
and so he founded that then so i'm a

1276
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:38,799
descendant of the founder

1277
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,839
where i was actually born so i'm in

1278
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,960
a place called lancaster my friend's

1279
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:46,720
doing his phd

1280
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,079
in in the religious department

1281
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,200
and um

1282
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:56,880
one night i i think i was alone

1283
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:59,760
one night i was in the house it was in

1284
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,319
the in

1285
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:02,720
in winter and i just got this feeling to

1286
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:04,160
go out

1287
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,720
this was in about 1994.

1288
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,720
that's after the looming after i went to

1289
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,640
the top of the mountain the luminaria is

1290
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,000
coming

1291
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:18,559
and i have the vision of later on i have

1292
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:26,870
the golden mask entity or alien

1293
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:29,920
which links to ancient egypt

1294
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,280
and um i go out into the back garden and

1295
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:35,280
it's really cold i mean freezing i'm

1296
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:36,400
standing there

1297
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:39,920
you know and right above me is orion

1298
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:43,280
so orion is the biggest constellation in

1299
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,559
in great britain in england and in the

1300
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,000
winter it's just massive

1301
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,520
it's a huge i mean it's really huge

1302
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,920
and it's right above me and i'm not

1303
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:54,880
really into

1304
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:58,640
kind of astrology or that kind of thing

1305
01:03:16,230 --> 01:02:58,880
i

1306
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,240
out the corner of my eye

1307
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,480
and i i looked up at the roof of the

1308
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,480
house which was probably

1309
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,160
along the gutter of the roof of the

1310
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:24,720
house probably about 15 feet away

1311
01:03:30,670 --> 01:03:28,000
and there was a red disk a red orb

1312
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,680
so this red orb was the size of the

1313
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,720
basketball

1314
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,520
it was again a scarlet color curiously

1315
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,119
enough it was a deep

1316
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,920
reddish scarlet color which would be the

1317
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,520
color of the carbon called because

1318
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:43,039
that's almost ready black

1319
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:47,039
but this was red the texture of it

1320
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:50,640
was like a mesh like a you take an

1321
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:53,680
old microphone with the mesh around the

1322
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,559
microphone

1323
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,720
it was like that all over it was just

1324
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,160
this mesh

1325
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:01,119
and it was just hanging there by by the

1326
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,319
gutter

1327
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,119
and it was about 15 feet away and it

1328
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:08,160
slowly moved along the gutter

1329
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,319
about 15 20 feet and just disappeared

1330
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:15,280
so that was when i was looking at orion

1331
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:15,760
and

1332
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:19,200
um again you have the yellow cube from

1333
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,559
orion and the

1334
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,760
whatever and the ryan is linked to

1335
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:26,079
osiris the chief of the

1336
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:33,990
osiris is located in draco

1337
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,720
the dragon because in the ancient world

1338
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,559
the most important

1339
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:41,440
thing in the sky for all the people in

1340
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,799
the ancient world

1341
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,720
the people who traveled by sea and

1342
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,799
everything the phoenicians

1343
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,720
in fact it was called the phoenician

1344
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:49,839
star

1345
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:57,520
every culture

1346
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:00,880
according to my studies was related to

1347
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:02,079
the dragon coal

1348
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:05,680
that was the key in aboriginal

1349
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,119
cultures um you know

1350
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,160
the the dao is the dow the way the dao

1351
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,559
is the dragon part and the tibetan

1352
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,000
kundalini

1353
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,160
and i think american indians and so

1354
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:19,920
forth and so on

1355
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,520
so um that's linked to alliance so

1356
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,920
um that's all together those three

1357
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,760
episodes of going

1358
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,760
going to the top of the mountain an

1359
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,119
alien there

1360
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:34,400
and then the visitation by this entity

1361
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:38,720
in a vision and then um

1362
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:42,319
the the the sighting of this this

1363
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:45,359
all this red orb

1364
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:48,839
so that's that's probably lames

1365
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,280
94. later on in 95

1366
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:56,319
i decided to go south back to oxford

1367
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,319
which is about 200 miles and

1368
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:02,240
i'm staying with my friend near the

1369
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,359
castle

1370
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,000
i'm not my friend my nephew my nephew's

1371
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:07,920
just finished

1372
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,799
at the university of sussex he's just

1373
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,520
finished his

1374
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:14,160
ai degree he was one of the few people

1375
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:15,039
in england

1376
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,319
he was only 17 and i mentored him

1377
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:20,960
and encouraged him to study ai he

1378
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:22,160
studied ai

1379
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:25,119
so he just finished his degree in ai and

1380
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,079
he was living

1381
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,200
in oxford and i stayed with him

1382
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:32,559
and i thought oh i think i'll give my

1383
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:36,559
give my old friend um a

1384
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:39,920
phone call he's living in california

1385
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:42,319
he's a native american indian he's

1386
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:43,680
living in california

1387
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:47,280
his name name's craig morrison and

1388
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:50,799
santa barbara and um i used to

1389
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:53,520
he used to come over to the krishnamurti

1390
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,359
conferences every year and christian

1391
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,520
bertie died in 1986.

1392
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,559
so i hadn't seen him since 85 so it's

1393
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:02,319
about 10 years

1394
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,920
and uh i phoned him up and we're talking

1395
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:06,640
and he says

1396
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:10,079
have you read the um orion mystery by bo

1397
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,039
val

1398
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,799
i said no i haven't read the orion

1399
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,880
mystery i said that's very strange

1400
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,880
because i've just been lying in bed

1401
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:18,799
looking out the window

1402
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:22,240
at orion in oxford and you know we had a

1403
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,319
laugh about that

1404
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:27,119
so not long after that i get a strange

1405
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:28,880
feeling to go outside again

1406
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,839
i go out on the porch and there is this

1407
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:33,839
red orb again this

1408
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:37,039
basketball type red orb about 20 feet

1409
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:38,240
away

1410
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,839
and and it's just sitting there it

1411
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:42,000
doesn't move it just sits there for a

1412
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:43,599
number of minutes and then just

1413
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,359
disappears so again it's linked to orion

1414
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:50,480
the connection with orion and of course

1415
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:50,880
the

1416
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,520
thing

1417
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,520
so i thought that was quite interesting

1418
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,760
and from that moment i thought no

1419
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:05,680
they're monitoring me they're following

1420
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:06,240
me

1421
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,079
portsmouth new hampshire

1422
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,159
while i was working at the peace air

1423
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:17,759
force base

1424
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,719
and the betty barney hill the screen

1425
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:22,799
memory is

1426
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,839
i'm in a white room

1427
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,839
all i know is everything's white i'm

1428
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,120
just in this pure

1429
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:32,319
this white room there's no other

1430
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:33,359
description

1431
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,560
and to my right is standing this entity

1432
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,199
and this is a screen memory i don't know

1433
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,880
it's not a dream it's a

1434
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,040
real memory like my childhood memory

1435
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:47,679
it's like in a section of your memory

1436
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,600
that's just just not in your normal

1437
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,560
everyday memory and it's not in your

1438
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,400
memory say like my knowledge of

1439
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:58,159
mythology it's not in that kind of

1440
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,040
linear

1441
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,359
chronological memory so it's a bit like

1442
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:02,960
the childhood memories it's

1443
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:06,000
kind of sectioned off and

1444
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:09,679
this being i don't see its face

1445
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,359
and this being has again a very

1446
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,920
beige like golden robe just like the

1447
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:18,239
being in my vision

1448
01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:23,359
and um the the word that comes to me

1449
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:26,839
in that screen memory is is he's an

1450
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,920
undertaker now i don't know why the

1451
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,759
undertaker because he deals with the

1452
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,400
dead

1453
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:35,440
and that's certainly i think um

1454
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:39,120
relevant to um ufos and entities and

1455
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,640
that kind of thing and certainly the

1456
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,839
book of the dead and

1457
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:43,759
all that kind of thing you know so it's

1458
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:46,839
a kind of interdimensional thing because

1459
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,149
we we are psychic entities in the

1460
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,600
physical body

1461
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,600
but he says we're not actually in the

1462
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,120
physical universe

1463
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:02,640
because the psyche the psychic

1464
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,159
element of consciousness and thought

1465
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:09,120
is actually in coincidence with with the

1466
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,239
universe

1467
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,800
so we're not actually physically our

1468
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:14,239
astral body

1469
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,640
although it's located um

1470
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,360
in proximity to the physical body it's

1471
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:23,360
not actually

1472
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,280
we're not animals

1473
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,000
we didn't evolve our consciousness at a

1474
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:32,880
certain point came into

1475
01:10:39,070 --> 01:10:36,640
connected to the brain it's not you know

1476
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,080
and so he's definitely to do with

1477
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:41,840
interdimensionality

1478
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:52,149
so so

1479
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:55,840
i have this um thing with

1480
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,040
orion this is um

1481
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,080
95 and it's

1482
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:04,320
after that i started reading books and i

1483
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:05,199
read

1484
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,520
um johnny macron's book

1485
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:12,400
about abductions and i read a few other

1486
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,040
books

1487
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:16,480
but but um i only came on

1488
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:19,840
my my nephew got me a pc

1489
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:23,840
after i finished all my writing in 2014

1490
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,960
so from the time of reading john mack i

1491
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:28,640
had no idea about

1492
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,560
youtube about the uh ufo phenomenon

1493
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,480
just a few books i found in the library

1494
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:36,080
so i had no idea how

1495
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:40,480
incredibly vast and various

1496
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:43,600
the research was in in ufos i was just

1497
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:47,040
absolutely stunned and almost i had to

1498
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:48,400
rethink everything

1499
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:56,640
so um we come now to

1500
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,350
anyway he he gets the degree

1501
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,320
and he finds a post as a lecturer in the

1502
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:07,679
sense of

1503
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,760
psychoanalysis in cold chests

1504
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,159
in essex near london at the university

1505
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,000
that's where i am now

1506
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:19,120
and he finds a flat and i decide to join

1507
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:20,840
him

1508
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:28,550
i've never practiced anything to do with

1509
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,520
magic

1510
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,000
the occult i mean my studies involves

1511
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,560
magic the occult etc because it's part

1512
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,880
of religion and parts of ancient egypt

1513
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:38,640
and everything

1514
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,159
and uh my friend was was into the occult

1515
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:44,560
when he was a student in oxford he in

1516
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,880
fact

1517
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,199
went to glastonbury which is the kind of

1518
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:49,520
arthurian center

1519
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:52,480
for the occult and he's and he had a

1520
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,120
book

1521
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:56,080
by israel regarding who was a colleague

1522
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:56,880
colleague of

1523
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,880
alistar crowley he had a um

1524
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:03,040
he had the encyclopedia of the golden

1525
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:06,000
dawn and in oxford he and i had mixed

1526
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:07,679
with a lot of golden dawn

1527
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,199
people and

1528
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,760
that's where i was at the celia green's

1529
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:14,880
lucid dream

1530
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:18,320
and out of the body and such

1531
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:22,320
and and i don't know for whatever reason

1532
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,880
again

1533
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,800
i was told to do this you could say i

1534
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,480
was told to do this

1535
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,000
i looked through the book and i saw a

1536
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,950
now i had no not only i really didn't

1537
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,640
know much about magic

1538
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,360
and and mythology at that particular

1539
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,880
time

1540
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,520
and my my my friends studied classes

1541
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:42,640
which is really about

1542
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:46,480
greek and latin mythology but anyway

1543
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:50,640
um i decided i i i do

1544
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,159
art in pastel i i use pastel and

1545
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:57,360
and create a pencil

1546
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,960
so i decide to go outside

1547
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,600
the main window and there's a there's a

1548
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:04,800
pavement

1549
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:07,920
and a carpet small car park near

1550
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:11,199
near a little pinewood and i decided to

1551
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:11,840
draw

1552
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,640
a pentagram on the ground i have no idea

1553
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,000
nothing in my mind

1554
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:18,239
i just draw the pentagram nothing in my

1555
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:27,110
and in the evening i

1556
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,320
decide to look at i decided to do my

1557
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:31,760
first ufo watch

1558
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,040
and in my mind i don't think i was

1559
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,920
invoking the ufo by doing the pentagram

1560
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,520
that's probably what happened

1561
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,239
but but in my mind i didn't join the

1562
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:48,080
dots i just didn't think about

1563
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,159
it like that and i'm standing at the

1564
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:54,320
window

1565
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,920
and of course orion's there orion's

1566
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,199
there

1567
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,480
and i'm looking just looking at the

1568
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,800
stars and by the way when i have

1569
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,199
been outside consciously looking for

1570
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:09,760
ufos i i see lots of lines

1571
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:13,040
lots of shooting stars or lights and

1572
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,040
things like that orbs and stuff like

1573
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,120
that but anyway

1574
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,760
i i'm standing at the window and i

1575
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,920
noticed something above my head so i

1576
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:24,159
look up to the roof again

1577
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:27,280
and only 25 feet away come

1578
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,440
five ufos in the pentagram formation

1579
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,239
now these these ufos are the most

1580
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,000
beautiful

1581
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:38,719
i mean that you know i'm very sensitive

1582
01:15:43,630 --> 01:15:41,199
to color especially pastel color

1583
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:43,640
very sensitive to color but these were

1584
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,560
absolutely

1585
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:48,800
you know i like wild flowers and all the

1586
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,600
various

1587
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,760
natural colors but these were so

1588
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:52,719
beautiful

1589
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:55,920
and they were a golden pink

1590
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,800
and they were about a foot in diameter

1591
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:03,199
and they i had a feeling they were

1592
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,480
spinning

1593
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:06,560
and they reminded me they made me feel

1594
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:09,600
like lotuses as if they were lotuses

1595
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,880
just floating and they it was absolutely

1596
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,840
silent

1597
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:16,080
there was no substance to them they were

1598
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,679
just just

1599
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,000
they didn't have any depth or substance

1600
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,520
to them

1601
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,000
but they were so beautiful and they were

1602
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,679
just hovering above

1603
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,239
and they just went in front of me and

1604
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:30,719
they just glided in front of me

1605
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:35,360
and eventually went over the pine trees

1606
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,960
and either that evening

1607
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:40,800
i think it might have been earlier that

1608
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:42,080
evening i did see an

1609
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:45,440
hour i did see an owl and an

1610
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,560
owl also appeared in oxford when i went

1611
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:50,800
with my nephew

1612
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:53,440
to look for a ufo that's after i had my

1613
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:54,719
first ufo experience

1614
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,040
i said let's go outside he's only a boy

1615
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:58,640
he's only about

1616
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:01,600
eight years old and when we walked down

1617
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:02,080
the road

1618
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:04,000
near this church this owl flew out we

1619
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:06,000
didn't see a ufo but i just remembered

1620
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,719
the out

1621
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,640
and i knew nothing about screen members

1622
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:09,840
until i read

1623
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,790
and um so anyway

1624
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,149
when i at the time i was seeing the ufo

1625
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,239
and the pentagram on the ground there

1626
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:27,920
was a black cat

1627
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,960
there's a small black kitten

1628
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,199
lying on the ground kind of like moving

1629
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,159
around on the ground

1630
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,480
and i've seen this kitten way down the

1631
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:40,719
road not where i was living but way down

1632
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,440
the road

1633
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,000
so the next day i happened to see that

1634
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,159
kitten

1635
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,480
and i thought you know i stroked the

1636
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:50,159
kittens so i kind of stroke in the

1637
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,719
kitchen

1638
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,040
and i thought oh i look at his name tag

1639
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:54,640
around his neck

1640
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,960
and he had a silver name tag and i

1641
01:18:02,550 --> 01:17:59,199
turned the silver name tag over

1642
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:02,560
and it said osiris

1643
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:05,840
now the idea that a kitten have a

1644
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:08,800
name tag besides you know that was very

1645
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:09,440
very

1646
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:15,760
linked to orion when you're an initiate

1647
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,239
in

1648
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:19,600
sunbelt

1649
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:23,040
or starship and you when you're taken

1650
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,320
to to you're taking tour

1651
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,440
to orion because you're an osiris

1652
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:31,520
you've identified with the cyrus the god

1653
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:32,719
of resurrection

1654
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,719
you're taken in the sun bow to orion

1655
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,040
um so it's very you know that was quite

1656
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:41,360
amusing that the fact that the black cat

1657
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:43,199
was

1658
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:46,640
called orion so um

1659
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,360
what you meant you said osiris you mean

1660
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,270
osiris you said the black cat's name was

1661
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,199
osiris

1662
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,840
yeah yes yes it was okay cyrus no no

1663
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:01,280
because you said it's funny that it was

1664
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,239
called orion

1665
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,640
so i was like oh i want to just clarify

1666
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:06,560
no no yes

1667
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:09,760
yes cyrus is from orion

1668
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:12,960
yeah and um

1669
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:16,080
that was have you any questions at all

1670
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:17,679
or should i carry

1671
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:20,080
well i'm waiting for for you to come to

1672
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,800
to a

1673
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:22,800
you know good stopping point where i

1674
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,080
could ask you

1675
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,920
because i mainly just wanted to see then

1676
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,679
at this point and what do you think of

1677
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,440
all these different experiences and

1678
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:31,600
what has what else developed since that

1679
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,360
point you know have you have you been

1680
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,520
able to determine some kind of

1681
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,000
you know and a self analysis and why all

1682
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,600
these different things were specifically

1683
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:42,000
happening to you

1684
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:45,199
well i mean actually i'll tell you the

1685
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,640
next one and that's more and that's

1686
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:48,880
it you know that's more or less no it

1687
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,080
doesn't cover everything

1688
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:52,080
but that's a good starting point

1689
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,679
finishing point

1690
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:56,080
so i'm living at the bottom of this hill

1691
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:57,600
which is probably a celtic

1692
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:01,440
hill and uh

1693
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,280
i'm lit i moved to to to a place

1694
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:07,040
on the top of the hill so i was living

1695
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,960
at the bottom of the hill and i saw the

1696
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:10,000
five ufos

1697
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:14,480
i moved to the top of the hill in 2001

1698
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:19,120
and i began my research in 2002

1699
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:26,470
i i'm facing the castle so

1700
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,520
in the middle of pretty much taking most

1701
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:30,960
of my view

1702
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:34,000
is this is the castle and it

1703
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:37,520
it's the um the largest castle that was

1704
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,560
ever built

1705
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,760
in england or in western europe and it's

1706
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,440
now a museum for

1707
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:46,320
roman artifacts celtic and roman

1708
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:54,149
so it's 11 o'clock at night

1709
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,070
and the castle is illuminated

1710
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,400
and every everywhere else is dark and

1711
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,000
there's like a tree line

1712
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:06,560
some buildings but it's very old and

1713
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:08,719
very ancient area

1714
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,159
and you've got a strong view of the sky

1715
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:13,679
big view of the sky

1716
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:19,669
i'm sitting here 11 o'clock at night i'm

1717
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:20,800
just looking out

1718
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:26,159
and suddenly five ufos appear

1719
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:29,520
and they appear like one two three

1720
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:33,120
four five and they form a zigzag

1721
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,719
vertical zigzag shape

1722
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,480
right next to the castle so we're

1723
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:40,560
talking about

1724
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:44,320
three quarters of a mile away

1725
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,159
and i get the binoculars i just have the

1726
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:49,760
binoculars there

1727
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:52,880
i get the binoculars and i look at them

1728
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:55,600
close up and they seem to be already

1729
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:56,080
ready

1730
01:22:03,110 --> 01:21:59,360
green color and they seem fairly solid

1731
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:03,120
they're really solid i can't see a shape

1732
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:06,480
but they seem very very solid

1733
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,490
and

1734
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,760
[Music]

1735
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,920
i don't know how the distance between

1736
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:14,000
them quite a distance between them but

1737
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:17,440
a very tight zigzag formation

1738
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:20,719
vertical and

1739
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:25,920
they they disappear one by one

1740
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:28,400
and as the last one disappears i see a

1741
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:29,120
cylinder

1742
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,719
is a kind of light gray very light

1743
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,960
silvery light gray cylinder

1744
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:41,360
it doesn't seem as substantial as the

1745
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:42,239
other other

1746
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:46,239
the ufos now this cylinder

1747
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,320
is horizon is horizontal

1748
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,960
it seems quite big seems quite big i

1749
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:54,880
don't know exactly how big it

1750
01:23:02,709 --> 01:22:58,639
would be quite quite big

1751
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,719
and it has perfectly straight lines i

1752
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,520
mean

1753
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,760
really really that's what stood out it

1754
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:08,880
was like perfect lines

1755
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:16,310
it started to move a 45 degree angle

1756
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,600
down towards the ground to to to

1757
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:22,239
towards this towards some buildings to

1758
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,360
the right

1759
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:26,480
and and it when it went second by second

1760
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:28,480
so i could observe this

1761
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:32,480
second by second going very very slowly

1762
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:38,000
and it went down behind the buildings

1763
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:41,840
now the other five ufos went in the same

1764
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:44,480
direction i was at the

1765
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,320
hill in that area just where this

1766
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,239
cylinder went and that's where the

1767
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:52,159
military base is i don't know how

1768
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:53,360
important that is

1769
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:56,480
but there's a military base very

1770
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:00,719
important military base in england

1771
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,159
and um that's my

1772
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,960
that's my final that's my last ufo

1773
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:08,080
experience

1774
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,639
it is in 208 and that was my final one

1775
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:15,360
in in that you know i've had i've had

1776
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,080
cemented

1777
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:18,960
it and i'll talk about that a bit later

1778
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:19,440
well

1779
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,679
so uh maybe you might want to get into

1780
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,360
that now too too

1781
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,120
uh we saw this these entities you

1782
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:26,639
talking about after your

1783
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:30,000
await experience the entities that you

1784
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,199
were talking about

1785
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:34,159
were they after the 08 experience yes do

1786
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:35,520
you want me to go into that

1787
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:39,040
oh yes please okay okay

1788
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,159
so um in my research i study

1789
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,040
the bible the visions in the bible i

1790
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,600
study ancient egypt i studied the grail

1791
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:52,480
legend which is important

1792
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,840
um i study tibetan buddhism zen buddhism

1793
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,679
so it's a comparative mythology

1794
01:25:02,629 --> 01:24:59,520
comparative religion

1795
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,639
i have my own library and i didn't use

1796
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,639
the internet or anything like i just

1797
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:07,440
used the books

1798
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:10,560
now during that all this period right

1799
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:13,199
up until now all these apparitions start

1800
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:14,639
appearing in my house

1801
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,679
i'm talking about hundreds i'm talking

1802
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:19,520
about hundreds of apparitions don't

1803
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,080
forget

1804
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:22,960
i was in celia green's place and that's

1805
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,320
she she studied apparitions now i've

1806
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:28,480
never had an out of the body what's

1807
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:29,120
called

1808
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:32,320
a typical i've not had a typical out of

1809
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,520
the body

1810
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,840
like i've what was happening when i was

1811
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,159
a child when my body was expanding

1812
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:41,280
as a typical out of the body type of

1813
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,560
thing that's what starts to happen

1814
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,360
i've never actually gone into another

1815
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:49,120
dimension in that sense

1816
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:52,639
i've not actually done that

1817
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:55,920
but nonetheless i i can be awake when

1818
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,159
i'm

1819
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,639
asleep and i can have thoughts and i can

1820
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:01,920
see images and such

1821
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:05,920
and i've had things like for example

1822
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:10,080
i've i've either i've got my eyes open

1823
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:10,880
in bed

1824
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,159
awake

1825
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,159
but either i have my eyes open or i

1826
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,679
don't have my eyes open

1827
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,400
it doesn't make any difference and in

1828
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:22,080
and filling the whole room

1829
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,000
i saw this kind of celestial city

1830
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:28,480
and it was pure white the celestial city

1831
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:30,960
was by pure white

1832
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:33,840
and it wasn't like tall it was like i

1833
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:36,560
think it was just um

1834
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:39,199
once not even not two stories just

1835
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:40,560
ground level

1836
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:44,719
and it had domes it was like a complex

1837
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:49,120
of like domes that's one image i've had

1838
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:53,600
another image another vision or some

1839
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:56,719
apparition is of

1840
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:00,639
of hundreds of people in gray

1841
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,040
garments in rows rows and rows of these

1842
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:07,920
um people in grey garments and that

1843
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,480
reminds me of what they call the shades

1844
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,520
in ancient

1845
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,840
greece so when you're in the you go to

1846
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:15,440
the underwood you die

1847
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,760
and you go to the underworld you you

1848
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:18,880
stand near

1849
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:21,920
the river sticks the river sticks is the

1850
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:22,320
black

1851
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:26,080
infernal river in the underworld

1852
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,199
of hades and you you you

1853
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,320
you get in the bowl you're ferried

1854
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,000
across the river

1855
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,960
into hades and only dead souls can

1856
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:38,639
actually go on that boat

1857
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,000
got to be a dead song and uh

1858
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,880
so they reminded me of the shades of the

1859
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:47,360
death

1860
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:53,910
entities looking at me i

1861
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,639
all kinds of entities looking at me

1862
01:28:02,709 --> 01:27:58,719
really staring at me really looking

1863
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,719
at the right up close i've i've had

1864
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:05,840
i i have continually to the present

1865
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:08,880
i have entities that don't seem

1866
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:11,120
particularly special people when they're

1867
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:18,070
and they often do something to me they

1868
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,679
give me this all

1869
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:22,320
they give me they do something to my

1870
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,040
body

1871
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:26,159
and it's as if they're not

1872
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,000
kind of personally involved with me

1873
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:32,320
you know i just experience i just see

1874
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:33,199
them

1875
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,120
but they don't say anything they never

1876
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:37,440
none of these entities say anything

1877
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:39,440
and they just do things and it's like

1878
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,320
they're wandering around

1879
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:45,360
well one of the kind of things

1880
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:49,840
that happened is that i'm in deep sleep

1881
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:57,830
rectangle shaped object

1882
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:06,550
three inches thick about six inches wide

1883
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,080
and about 14 inches

1884
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:12,800
long just like a block and it's it's

1885
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:14,960
black it's shiny black it's absolutely

1886
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,110
and there's wide sides now i'm very

1887
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:23,120
familiar with hieroglyphs and i'm fairly

1888
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,400
good with symbols

1889
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,320
but i don't have no idea what this

1890
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:28,800
script was

1891
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:32,320
and then i suddenly i'm aware of myself

1892
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:36,400
in the bed i immediately open my eyes

1893
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:39,840
and the objects in the room so it's in

1894
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:41,840
deep sleep

1895
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:45,120
it's in another dimension i wake up

1896
01:29:51,629 --> 01:29:49,760
and it's manifest in in the room

1897
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:51,639
so that's curious that's a kind of

1898
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:54,560
interdimensional thing

1899
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,080
and um in in

1900
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:01,199
in the 90s i stopped drawing

1901
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:06,719
i i stopped drawing and um

1902
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,040
my drawings are very spontaneous very

1903
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:11,120
creative and they're usually

1904
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,320
of beings or entities and

1905
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,560
various things but nothing in in

1906
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:18,320
particular not particularly science

1907
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:19,280
fiction or

1908
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:22,239
anything like that but more more kind of

1909
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:22,719
like

1910
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,360
ancient egypt and shamanism they're kind

1911
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:26,880
of just symbols

1912
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:30,480
that come up from your unconscious

1913
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:34,480
and um i i'm i'm

1914
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:37,760
lying in bed or i wake up

1915
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:41,120
in bed and when there's something to be

1916
01:30:46,830 --> 01:30:42,159
revealed to me

1917
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:46,840
i know to open my eyes so i wake up

1918
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:49,840
immediately but i

1919
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,280
i i saw these two entities

1920
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:56,400
standing by the door and

1921
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,639
they had a circle for a head but there

1922
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:00,960
was nothing in it it was just blank

1923
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:04,960
and they had long gown robes

1924
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:10,070
and then they just passed through the

1925
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:11,679
door and i

1926
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:14,800
and they were exactly the two images

1927
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:19,040
i i drew um over 20

1928
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:22,719
years before so i drew these two

1929
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:24,400
entities i didn't know they were

1930
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:27,840
aliens or entities and and when in my

1931
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,159
research into ancient egypt

1932
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:32,159
in in the book of the dead and other

1933
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:33,760
tents

1934
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:35,760
it's all about going in the various

1935
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:38,000
starships through the underworld

1936
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:41,520
so so v nurse and orion

1937
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,560
and all these entities

1938
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:46,480
you know these these god these gods will

1939
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,920
have their own starships

1940
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:52,320
and so rather that some god would have

1941
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:52,960
his own

1942
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:56,320
sun bone which is a starship

1943
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:00,400
and pulling these the the

1944
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:04,000
the sunbow of rama were these entities

1945
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:05,520
with a circle

1946
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:07,600
their head was a circle with nothing in

1947
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:10,840
it and that was after i had this

1948
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,560
actual apparition so i didn't know

1949
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:17,520
anything about you know that in the

1950
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:18,960
underworld going when you're

1951
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:24,480
when you're traveling in your starship

1952
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:27,760
these these um entities that were

1953
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:28,639
navigating

1954
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,360
the starship had would have a you know

1955
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:33,600
head with a circle with nothing in it

1956
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:36,639
and the colors may be yellow and gold in

1957
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:37,600
the sun and

1958
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:41,520
the starship now my my my feeling

1959
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:44,560
about my own life is that

1960
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:48,800
the um because of my um

1961
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:52,320
my awakening at the age of 23 and i'm in

1962
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:55,040
this state of satori all the time i'm in

1963
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:56,080
this mind

1964
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,159
level which is not the same as

1965
01:33:01,430 --> 01:33:00,480
consciousness or the body or the psyche

1966
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:01,440
it's just this

1967
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,840
this heightened enlightened kind of

1968
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:04,639
state of mind

1969
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:07,120
i see the beings i'm connecting with is

1970
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,239
enlightened

1971
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:10,880
although they're quite various but i

1972
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:11,440
think

1973
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:13,920
it's to deal with enlightenment and i

1974
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:14,639
think that

1975
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:17,840
the dragon coal the reptile

1976
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:20,719
the serpent is very much connected to

1977
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:21,360
that

1978
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:24,560
and of course um osiris is

1979
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:27,600
his main seat in the heavens is in draco

1980
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:30,159
the dragon

1981
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,199
and only the other night

1982
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:36,000
i i woke up in the middle of the night

1983
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:37,440
opened my eyes

1984
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:40,560
and this this uh something was floating

1985
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:42,880
through the room near the ceiling

1986
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:44,960
floating through the room

1987
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:50,159
and it was a squat it was a rectangle it

1988
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:52,320
was about an inch

1989
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,080
two inches thick maybe six inches wide

1990
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:58,800
and about ten inches long so it's just

1991
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,280
it's like a book shape

1992
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,520
and it's floating it just floats across

1993
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:04,960
the room to the other side and

1994
01:34:08,470 --> 01:34:05,760
disappeared

1995
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,480
and it was like a very electric kind of

1996
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:10,080
energy there's this kind of

1997
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,360
sparkling electric energy and it has

1998
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,280
some lights in it it had some

1999
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:18,719
some kind of light in it

2000
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:23,760
and that happened just a few nights ago

2001
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:27,920
and um when i finished my work

2002
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:31,280
in 2017

2003
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,239
i thought i i i put the books on amazon

2004
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:38,000
and i thought i'd have some interviews

2005
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:41,040
so i i contacted various people

2006
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,189
one of those in england is called i

2007
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,000
think the basis project

2008
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:56,560
and they're very into kind of my lab

2009
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:57,280
they're very

2010
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:00,880
into the kind of my lab mk ultra my

2011
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:03,920
my lab conspiracy theory type of thing

2012
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:07,119
i'm not really into conspiracy theory i

2013
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:08,400
wrote a book called

2014
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:12,320
alien other which is a critique of the

2015
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:13,920
conspiracy theory so i have a book

2016
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:15,679
aiding up a

2017
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:18,960
critique of the the um

2018
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:22,560
conspiracy theory but this man was um

2019
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:25,760
miles johnson he's very into the kind of

2020
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:29,280
super soldier my lab thing

2021
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:32,400
and um which i think i'm not ruling that

2022
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,400
out in my own case i'm not

2023
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:36,639
saying that there might be some

2024
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:38,480
connection to that but i haven't got any

2025
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:40,159
conscious recollection

2026
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,360
but there's a couple of things that

2027
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:43,520
happen so

2028
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:47,119
about four nights before

2029
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,510
i won't it's not a dream but i was awake

2030
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,320
in my mind i wasn't awake physically but

2031
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:00,639
i was awake in my mind

2032
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:03,679
aware of my body and i could see and

2033
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:08,239
i could see an alien um reptilian alien

2034
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:11,840
sending my body just standing there

2035
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:15,040
and it had it had it had the features of

2036
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,280
like a lizard head you know

2037
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:19,920
it kind of like um these facets it's

2038
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:23,360
almost like a head that has like facets

2039
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:26,880
and it was a kind of a parchment color

2040
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,760
again it was a

2041
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:30,639
more parchment color and they're just

2042
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:32,719
standing there

2043
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:37,440
and then the night before the interview

2044
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:40,960
the same entity appeared to me

2045
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:44,000
bent over and put his head to my head in

2046
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:44,800
the bed

2047
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:50,790
we're not on the interview as it was

2048
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,280
going on on the interview

2049
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:55,360
i thought i had a download and i never

2050
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,679
had a conscious download

2051
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,520
and i didn't really know a lot about

2052
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:00,880
downloads but

2053
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,080
but i had this download

2054
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:06,560
and in fact the night before when this

2055
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,440
entity bent

2056
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:10,080
over and put his head to my head i was

2057
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:10,880
actually

2058
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:13,760
i had a vision of sitting with this

2059
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:16,080
miles johnson

2060
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:20,400
and a sense of a download happening then

2061
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,239
i had a sense of the download happening

2062
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,320
then so during the interview

2063
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:26,880
and he was pushing towards my lab and

2064
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:28,639
pushing towards that kind of thing

2065
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:31,520
but i stuck to my own story but he was

2066
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:33,679
he was trying to kind of like

2067
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:37,040
you know kind of nudge me in that

2068
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,920
direction

2069
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:39,679
but at the end of the interview i did

2070
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:42,560
have this download i was sitting there

2071
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:46,080
and i was in almost an ecstatic stay

2072
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:50,960
and i just saw i saw all these pictures

2073
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:54,639
like one after the other i couldn't see

2074
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,520
that

2075
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,440
couldn't see them clearly i got all

2076
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:59,600
these pictures coming

2077
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,760
and at the same time that was on my

2078
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,199
right hand side

2079
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,920
by my head and on the left hand side i

2080
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:07,760
had this kind of download

2081
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,159
sense of the night before so i was

2082
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:12,320
thinking of the night before

2083
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:15,679
and the download as if it was happening

2084
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,000
right

2085
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:19,119
downward

2086
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,960
with these um colorful pictures

2087
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:25,920
and my feeling was that it was a past

2088
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,320
life

2089
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:29,119
that was my feeling that it was actually

2090
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:29,760
a past

2091
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,400
life but i can't actually i don't

2092
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:34,800
actually know that for sure

2093
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:38,719
now another another person i contacted

2094
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:42,320
was someone um joanne

2095
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:45,679
summerscale and their names joanne

2096
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:48,800
and summers and she does

2097
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:52,000
she did a monk with miles johnson years

2098
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,520
ago on mark

2099
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,760
and that was to do with conspiracy my

2100
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,920
lab and that kind of productions and

2101
01:39:02,950 --> 01:38:59,199
like that

2102
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,960
and um i just skyped

2103
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:04,800
with her i wasn't interviewed but it was

2104
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:06,719
a kind of skype and she was in a

2105
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,600
in her house and she's living on the

2106
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:12,159
south coast of england in a place called

2107
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:15,679
hastings and she said that

2108
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,159
she lived on the road where alistair

2109
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:20,320
crowley actually died

2110
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:23,679
so she was telling me she's in that

2111
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:24,880
place

2112
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:28,719
and um after i spoke to her

2113
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,189
i've had i had i don't know what to call

2114
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:37,520
it wasn't a dream

2115
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:40,880
it wasn't a vision it wasn't an

2116
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:41,840
apparition

2117
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,159
there's lots of things in the psyche

2118
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:46,719
there are many many ways

2119
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:49,520
the psyche can project things to you

2120
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:51,119
many many ways there's many

2121
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:54,800
astral levels and that kind of thing

2122
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,719
but i found myself in a conscientious

2123
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,430
i can just say in the night when i was

2124
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,600
asleep being maneuvered down this

2125
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:08,400
corridor quite roughly maneuvered down

2126
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:10,080
this corridor

2127
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:12,320
and it seemed quite seedy that the

2128
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:15,280
building the house seemed quite seedy

2129
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,320
down the corridor into this room door

2130
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,239
was closed

2131
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,119
there were probably two men taking me

2132
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:25,360
they stood behind me i sat in the chair

2133
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,040
in the middle of the room

2134
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:30,080
and this other man seemed he wasn't in

2135
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,520
military gear

2136
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,920
but he seemed very military to me just

2137
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:35,280
had this feeling

2138
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,239
of a military and he put his face right

2139
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:40,080
in front of my face

2140
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,119
and he said from now on we'll be

2141
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:45,280
watching you from now on there's nothing

2142
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,960
there's no way you can go and we won't

2143
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:48,320
be watching you

2144
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:50,719
now i've never had any experience like

2145
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:51,440
that

2146
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:58,550
it was very very different from from a

2147
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,280
dream from a vision from an apparition

2148
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,600
seemed quite real it seemed quite real

2149
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,800
the funny thing is

2150
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:07,520
though after that happened i forgot all

2151
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:08,480
about it

2152
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:11,520
i wasn't afraid and i'm not phased

2153
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,520
because when i had my awakening at 23 i

2154
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:17,040
went through what's called the dark

2155
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:18,560
knight of the song

2156
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:21,920
i went through months of very very

2157
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,360
dark experiences

2158
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:28,000
which to do with the underworld and

2159
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:28,639
things

2160
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:31,679
and my whole perception of life around

2161
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,000
me

2162
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:34,480
changed everything was like a shadow

2163
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:35,360
world

2164
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:38,000
and and um are kind of dealing with the

2165
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:38,639
young

2166
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:41,280
shadow and after that i was awake and i

2167
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:44,639
came out into the light

2168
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:47,760
um but i don't have fear

2169
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,560
i have ordinary fear you know ordinary

2170
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:51,920
little bits of fear

2171
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:55,280
but i don't have a fundamental fear of

2172
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:57,040
life

2173
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:59,040
of other people however dangerous and

2174
01:42:01,350 --> 01:42:00,719
i've met a few dangerous people in my

2175
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:01,360
life

2176
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:04,159
you know however dangerous however

2177
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:05,840
threatening whether it's ufo

2178
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:08,239
end to tears or anything like that

2179
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:09,520
fundamentally

2180
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:12,719
i'm not fear-based

2181
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:16,880
at all and so that would intimidate me i

2182
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,719
wouldn't be frightened at all by those

2183
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:20,239
type of people

2184
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:23,280
and i once did communicate with um

2185
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:27,199
nick pope in america he's living in

2186
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,400
america

2187
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:30,719
and are saying about all these

2188
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:32,320
conspiracy theories

2189
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,480
you know how different people are

2190
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,159
nudging you in that direction

2191
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,159
and you know there seems to be people

2192
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:40,159
trying to implement influence me that

2193
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,560
way

2194
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:42,800
he said don't worry about it just ignore

2195
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:43,760
all of that

2196
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:47,040
the kind of fringe fringe scaremongering

2197
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:50,159
fringe or something like that

2198
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:53,600
but um so

2199
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,119
so i would say that kind of

2200
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:59,520
pretty much sums it up well you know

2201
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,800
that's interesting because

2202
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,960
everything that you've you told me so

2203
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:04,800
far leading up to this point

2204
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:07,360
you know at no point did i really draw

2205
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,400
that connection so

2206
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,320
i don't know maybe it's just a different

2207
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:12,239
style of interviewing maybe these other

2208
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,280
agendas it's like

2209
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,040
as you notice i just want people to tell

2210
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:17,119
their story you know it's like i don't

2211
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,119
have an agenda to push you one way or

2212
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,960
another you're the experiencer i'm just

2213
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,000
here to listen

2214
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:24,880
you know and so why to keep pushing that

2215
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:27,199
my lab my lab my lab makes no sense

2216
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,800
i mean of course then when you covered

2217
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:31,040
the second part about that but even then

2218
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:32,000
that would be

2219
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,600
uh do you think it was more of a

2220
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,440
symbolic and there's a

2221
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,119
more underlying message to that

2222
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:39,360
experience or do you feel like it was an

2223
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,239
actual

2224
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:43,360
um i guess chain of events that that

2225
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,480
occurred to you

2226
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:46,800
oh yeah yeah well i mean since i had the

2227
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:48,159
red orb

2228
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:51,280
and it it it was in in lancaster and

2229
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:52,159
then it it

2230
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:55,360
it came to oxford 200 miles away

2231
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:58,000
obviously it knows me it pulled me

2232
01:44:03,350 --> 01:43:59,920
outside it knows me

2233
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:03,360
is telling me that orion's involved your

2234
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,119
mythology is involved

2235
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,280
the red cube was telling me to study

2236
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:09,520
mythology and study my life

2237
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,679
and go through i went through the whole

2238
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,679
of my life every experience

2239
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:16,800
and i went deeply into the mythology and

2240
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:19,280
i contextualized it

2241
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:22,960
and um you know no i i think

2242
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,280
that you you hear when these people are

2243
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:27,760
talking about

2244
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:30,400
my mind control and all that kind of

2245
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,520
stuff

2246
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:34,560
i mean there's i mean i mean even

2247
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:36,320
someone like with this

2248
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:40,560
i mean he seems to be very fear-based

2249
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:42,480
he's quite

2250
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:45,520
he's not he's not he's not

2251
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:49,040
bothered by the fact that they rape him

2252
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:52,480
they intrude they kind of brutalize him

2253
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:53,600
they frighten him

2254
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:56,080
but they also reveal to him so he sees

2255
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:57,360
it as a kind of

2256
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,280
good and evil dialogue well for me

2257
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:04,480
my vision of the red cube and my other

2258
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:06,639
ufo experience is they're very benign

2259
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,520
you know they're not

2260
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,320
fear-based they're they're not coming

2261
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:11,920
from that perspective

2262
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:15,840
they're coming from a i think a

2263
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:18,320
spiritual perspective

2264
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:21,840
and um guiding my life

2265
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:27,600
and yeah i would say primarily benign

2266
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,960
you know and i in my daily life in my

2267
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,159
ordinary life

2268
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:34,480
i wouldn't tolerate somebody that's

2269
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:35,679
intrusive i wouldn't

2270
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:38,159
tolerate them for two seconds so i

2271
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:39,920
wouldn't i would

2272
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:43,760
go along with whether it's mind map

2273
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:47,040
or or entities that are trying to

2274
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,280
influence your soul or anything like

2275
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:52,480
that and i think my first experience was

2276
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:56,159
going into into my memory into my soul

2277
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,280
it was looking there well even the mylab

2278
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:01,440
part it just seems like it's not even a

2279
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:02,000
main

2280
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,520
of your life experience you know the

2281
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,440
there could have you know at the

2282
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:10,960
towards the end when you had that

2283
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:13,280
experience it doesn't really

2284
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:16,639
excuse and you know kind of wash away

2285
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:18,159
everything you've experienced

2286
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:20,000
leading up to that point you know

2287
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,000
because there's more of a

2288
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:24,719
uh just a spiritual aspect to the entire

2289
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:25,920
experience then

2290
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,239
then there is of some kind of nefarious

2291
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,159
uh beings or people

2292
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:33,360
trying to um i guess you

2293
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:35,199
do some kind of experience against you

2294
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:37,679
will you know if anything it's more

2295
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:39,520
spiritual and enlightening from from the

2296
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:40,800
sounds of it yes

2297
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:44,480
um no doubt you know people

2298
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:47,280
i mean young wrote a lot about being

2299
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:48,000
possessed

2300
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:51,679
you know and uh he he in his memory

2301
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:55,360
dreams reflections his autobiography

2302
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:59,280
um he he writes about um a ufo

2303
01:47:02,310 --> 01:47:01,280
experience he had and according to my

2304
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:02,320
friend he's had a

2305
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,199
couple of he had a couple of ufo dreams

2306
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:07,679
that's all just ufo dreams

2307
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,159
and he of course he wrote the book

2308
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:12,400
flying sources

2309
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:16,880
in in 1959 um two years before his death

2310
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:20,400
and he anyway you know so he he saw the

2311
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:23,920
he saw primarily the ufo was benign

2312
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,639
he saw it as a mandala a circle-shaped

2313
01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:27,840
mandala

2314
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,080
he saw it of the gods he thought it was

2315
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:32,639
of the gods he thought it was an image

2316
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:35,679
in the age of technology this

2317
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:38,960
present age of technology he saw the ufo

2318
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:42,239
as an image of christ replacing the kind

2319
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,199
of christian

2320
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:45,920
notion the religious notion he saw it as

2321
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:48,239
an image of the grail cup

2322
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:55,830
so he had a very benign

2323
01:48:03,510 --> 01:47:59,920
um idea of the ufo he thought primarily

2324
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:03,520
is it's interdimensional mainly to deal

2325
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:04,639
with the psyche

2326
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:07,360
but he didn't deny the fact that the

2327
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:08,800
other planets would be um

2328
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:11,280
inhabited but he saw it basically as an

2329
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:12,480
interdimensional

2330
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:16,080
more of a psychic phenomenon he saw it

2331
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:20,000
well his his dream only dream that he

2332
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,360
recorded in his

2333
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:24,000
memory so it must have been important

2334
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:25,600
he's at his um

2335
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:30,000
house in on lake historic in

2336
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,840
switzerland and he sees this ufo

2337
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,920
and he comes very close to him and the

2338
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:37,360
lens comes out

2339
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:43,040
magic lantern

2340
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:47,520
and he says that that then that that ufo

2341
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:51,119
is projecting him so he saw that the ufo

2342
01:48:55,709 --> 01:48:52,639
was projecting him

2343
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:55,719
not his physical body but him as a

2344
01:49:02,629 --> 01:48:58,000
personality

2345
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,639
identity

2346
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,960
but it's really an apparition we're all

2347
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:06,880
apparitions when we're in the dream or

2348
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,520
asphalt

2349
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:09,600
we're apparitions in a way we are

2350
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:10,560
apparitions

2351
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:14,159
we're in our astral body so he's saying

2352
01:49:17,150 --> 01:49:14,719
that the

2353
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:17,160
entity carl jung

2354
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:18,560
[Music]

2355
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:22,800
in that body as a psychiatrist living in

2356
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:26,719
in zurich all of that that whole life

2357
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:29,440
story of that entity that personality

2358
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:30,000
called

2359
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:33,440
cg young is actually projected by that

2360
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:36,880
ufo and that would make me think

2361
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:40,000
of that the ufo is a kind of pro

2362
01:49:47,870 --> 01:49:44,239
an ai programming what john lilly

2363
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:47,880
called meta programming john lee did

2364
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:51,280
investigations into various states of

2365
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:54,320
mind and astral travel and psychedelics

2366
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,080
but he he said that um

2367
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,800
he thought the ufo phenomenon would be

2368
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:02,639
meta programming

2369
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:06,560
so so they would be projecting um

2370
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:10,239
the the ones um identity

2371
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:13,599
not one soul not the soul but the

2372
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:14,719
personality

2373
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:17,920
the identity that you're

2374
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:19,599
that you're doing so he studied

2375
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:22,719
mythology he was guided all his life he

2376
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:25,920
felt he was guided from his first dream

2377
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,639
at the age of four he felt all his life

2378
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,719
he was under the will of god and he was

2379
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:32,400
guided by a spirit

2380
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,000
so he believed that absolutely

2381
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:37,679
and now he's saying that that's linked

2382
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:40,639
to the ufo so the idea is

2383
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:43,360
you know if the ufo is the christ image

2384
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:44,239
is the south

2385
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:51,440
um it's guiding him guiding him

2386
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:54,320
through his life to realize himself and

2387
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:55,599
that was his goal

2388
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:00,159
i mean his whole archetypal psychology

2389
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:03,679
is based on the realization of this of

2390
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,960
of the south and that is what

2391
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,880
meditation is all about that's what

2392
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:10,159
spirituality

2393
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:13,440
is all about is to self-realization

2394
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:16,719
so he's saying the ufo is

2395
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,239
is not only a symbol but is a process

2396
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:23,280
by which we've come to enlightenment we

2397
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:23,760
come

2398
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,040
to transcend

2399
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:30,080
the limitation of being an entity

2400
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:34,239
no entities my feelings about ufos

2401
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:38,000
is that i don't think the typical

2402
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,440
ufo entity that's recorded in

2403
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:44,239
in most literature is actually the

2404
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:46,719
intelligence itself

2405
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:49,760
i think it's either a partly ai a bio

2406
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,639
computer an a.i or or a psychic entity

2407
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,239
or something like that i don't think

2408
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,480
they're spiritual beings i don't think

2409
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:01,440
i don't think what's being revealed in

2410
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,320
that case

2411
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,800
is actually the enlightened being the

2412
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:06,800
kind of christ consciousness or foot of

2413
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:07,679
consciousness

2414
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,760
i don't think it's the highest

2415
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,440
intelligence behind it

2416
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,199
that doesn't mean to say some people

2417
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:15,199
don't connect with

2418
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:18,560
um the highest intelligent

2419
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,199
but somebody like chris bledsoe you know

2420
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:23,520
when he had all these entities

2421
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,599
and he had an appearance of the lady

2422
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:30,239
called her the lady that who gave him

2423
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:32,800
messages about the future of mankind and

2424
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:33,840
everything like that

2425
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:36,719
well that's that's a goddess i mean i i

2426
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:37,679
actually know

2427
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:42,239
in ancient egypt i could

2428
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:45,760
explain that fully but anyway um

2429
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:49,840
you know so he that projection of that

2430
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:52,719
that goddess to him but that's not the

2431
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:54,080
intelligence behind

2432
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:56,960
it you know whatever the intelligence

2433
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,360
maybe no one's seen it maybe somebody

2434
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,840
some people have seen it maybe nobody's

2435
01:53:06,270 --> 01:53:03,360
seen them

2436
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:06,280
so i just see i see everything as

2437
01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:07,920
transformative

2438
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,840
and the psyche itself is what you call

2439
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,480
shape-shifting

2440
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,719
everything can shape-shift into anything

2441
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:16,159
you like

2442
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:19,040
so if you if you've got mastery over the

2443
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:20,480
the astral level

2444
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,480
then you can more or less shape-shift

2445
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:25,599
and obviously the ufos can manifest

2446
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:28,480
into the physical and all of that but i

2447
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,199
wouldn't take

2448
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:31,599
no from a serious point of view from a

2449
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,639
kind of fit

2450
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:35,520
not not a fear-based thing is that

2451
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:36,159
though

2452
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:40,960
don't worry those those entities

2453
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:45,679
cannot contact

2454
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,800
possess or

2455
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:51,520
take control of your soul there's a lot

2456
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,639
of talk about

2457
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:55,440
the prison plan there the soul is

2458
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:57,199
trapped and all of that

2459
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:00,560
nothing can touch your soul your soul is

2460
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:03,360
immortal is transcendent this is what

2461
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:04,000
the text

2462
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:06,000
i'm not saying i know that's a fact but

2463
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:07,119
i'm just saying

2464
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:09,280
the literature of the the wisdom

2465
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:10,719
tradition

2466
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,159
is that the the spirit and the soul

2467
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:16,960
are inseparable they're both immortal

2468
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:17,520
and these

2469
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:19,760
entities in the psyche whether they're

2470
01:54:23,669 --> 01:54:21,599
from other planets and other

2471
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:23,679
things they're just like us they're on a

2472
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:24,719
spectrum

2473
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:26,800
of being a personality an entity a

2474
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:28,000
psychic entity

2475
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:31,199
and they cannot um

2476
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:34,159
as far as i i deeply feel this and i've

2477
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:36,159
through my own experience

2478
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:40,159
you know that they they cannot

2479
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:43,679
um touch the soul they can manipulate

2480
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:46,880
your personality your psyche

2481
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:49,440
they can create good and evil they can

2482
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:50,480
create

2483
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:56,800
occult stuff and all of that and even

2484
01:55:03,189 --> 01:54:59,760
positive visions of the lady and

2485
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:03,199
mary and all those kind of things

2486
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:06,080
but as i say my deepest feeling about my

2487
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:06,960
life

2488
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:09,280
and what i've been through and what i

2489
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:10,560
know

2490
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:14,719
is that no entity

2491
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:18,719
of any nature of any kind can actually

2492
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,080
um contact the soul

2493
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:25,119
and do anything to the soul i agree

2494
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:28,320
that's more basic yeah it's i've heard

2495
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,320
it hurt i said i agree i've heard that a

2496
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,320
lot of times you know people always want

2497
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:34,239
to have that fearful aspect of

2498
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:37,599
of of the you know sort of uh your soul

2499
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:38,960
can be

2500
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:41,119
snatched or ripped out of your body and

2501
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:42,800
all these different

2502
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:45,440
fearful base stories but everything that

2503
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,880
i've personally experienced

2504
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:49,280
and i'm sure you know things that you

2505
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,639
experience and research

2506
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,760
it's um it's a makes it a silly notion

2507
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,599
i mean i'm not i'm not you know

2508
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:57,760
degrading their their belief system you

2509
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:58,880
know but i just can't

2510
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:01,360
kind of i personally can't get on that

2511
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:02,719
train

2512
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:05,840
no i mean the thing is that in the

2513
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:08,719
modern age and materialism

2514
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:11,920
i mean one of the schools of

2515
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,560
materialism actually took place at

2516
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,320
hartford

2517
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,239
and in the heart of the in the

2518
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,000
psychology department

2519
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:22,400
and that's where actually timothy leary

2520
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:24,239
was in the

2521
01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:27,119
psychology department and so was johnny

2522
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:29,679
matt in harvard

2523
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,800
and and uh both of them were

2524
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,119
thrown out more or less that you know

2525
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:37,760
the harvard wanted to get rid of them

2526
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:41,280
and another one that developed the

2527
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:43,840
school of behaviorism was a person

2528
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:46,000
called skinner

2529
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:49,280
and he was all to do with technology and

2530
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,320
behaviorism

2531
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,880
so he thought the body was all there was

2532
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:53,760
the brain

2533
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,159
there was no psyche no soul no spirit

2534
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,400
not even the south not even the south

2535
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:02,239
it's an illusion that there's even a

2536
01:57:05,629 --> 01:57:03,119
south

2537
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:05,639
so he just saw the body as a

2538
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,280
bio-computer

2539
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:09,360
and he called not i don't think he

2540
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:10,560
coined the term

2541
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:14,239
but certainly he made it made it um

2542
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:16,480
made it important was the ghost in the

2543
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:17,760
machine

2544
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:19,840
right so instead of having an atmosphere

2545
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:21,040
body

2546
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:24,560
and the psyche

2547
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:33,030
so um well that's the way people think

2548
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:34,400
that's the way

2549
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:40,080
atheists and people like that that

2550
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:41,679
that's the way they think there's

2551
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:44,159
nothing there there's no self no soul no

2552
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:44,719
spirit

2553
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:48,320
nothing and therefore

2554
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,599
when they develop ai and they give it a

2555
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,000
consciousness of some kind

2556
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:56,080
which won't be an organic consciousness

2557
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:57,440
i don't think it will be

2558
01:58:02,629 --> 01:57:59,440
a proper con i think it would be a

2559
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:02,639
mimicking of a consciousness

2560
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:06,560
yeah yeah yeah it'd be an artificial

2561
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:08,800
intelligence artificial consciousness

2562
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:13,199
because um red kurzweil

2563
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:16,960
who studied at mit with um

2564
01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:20,880
minsky he's he's head of the google

2565
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:23,440
kind of artificial intelligence thing

2566
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:24,320
and all of that

2567
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:27,679
and he's very into transhumanism

2568
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:34,229
you know and things he can live

2569
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:37,040
he wants to live forever and travel the

2570
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:38,960
the universe

2571
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:41,520
and that's how they see that's how they

2572
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:42,800
see the future of

2573
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:45,040
the space program some of these people

2574
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:46,800
actually see it

2575
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:48,239
and what they're going to do with the

2576
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:49,920
religious people

2577
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:52,719
and the spiritual people and the psychic

2578
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:54,080
people

2579
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:57,280
while they use the paranormal like sri

2580
01:59:02,550 --> 01:58:59,440
they use the paranormal

2581
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:02,560
and my friend

2582
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:05,840
actually is part of a think tank

2583
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:08,960
because he's a global scholar and

2584
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:12,400
he goes to various places in the world

2585
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:14,960
and he doesn't know who sponsors him but

2586
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,000
he meets various

2587
01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:18,719
people in the world um to do with

2588
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:20,639
paranormal and everything

2589
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:23,360
and one of the people he he works with

2590
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:24,639
is paul reagan

2591
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:27,199
probably the leading parapsychologist in

2592
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:27,920
the world

2593
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:31,679
and he's part of the pneumatic um

2594
01:59:37,669 --> 01:59:34,800
institute in california

2595
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:37,679
and they have meetings at esselon and

2596
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:38,960
essa long

2597
01:59:43,990 --> 01:59:42,320
it is really what kick-started the whole

2598
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:44,000
cyclic revolution

2599
01:59:50,470 --> 01:59:47,440
in the 60s and there's a lot of mk ultra

2600
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:50,480
stuff involved there but but he he works

2601
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:50,960
with

2602
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,360
the parapsychologist and all of that

2603
01:59:56,790 --> 01:59:55,440
well i'm actually against all of that

2604
01:59:59,990 --> 01:59:56,800
i'm actually

2605
02:00:01,510 --> 02:00:00,000
quite honestly i'm against any form of

2606
02:00:04,149 --> 02:00:01,520
mind control

2607
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:04,159
or even telepathy i've had television

2608
02:00:08,229 --> 02:00:05,920
i've had many experiences

2609
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:08,239
but the idea that people can go around

2610
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:10,000
reading your mind

2611
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:13,679
and and um you know for nefarious

2612
02:00:16,149 --> 02:00:14,639
reasons

2613
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:16,159
and that's what i think they're linked

2614
02:00:21,430 --> 02:00:18,239
to and the technology

2615
02:00:25,910 --> 02:00:21,440
and the surveillance and um

2616
02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:25,920
you know so i i'm really not in favor of

2617
02:00:29,350 --> 02:00:28,000
science taking over parrot the

2618
02:00:31,910 --> 02:00:29,360
paranormal

2619
02:00:32,950 --> 02:00:31,920
and using it for that for that those

2620
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,960
purposes

2621
02:00:37,030 --> 02:00:34,719
but my friend he taught you know it

2622
02:00:42,149 --> 02:00:37,040
gives me a lot of inside stuff on

2623
02:00:46,709 --> 02:00:44,709
yeah well david uh before i ask the next

2624
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:46,719
question i want to add a little bit more

2625
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:47,360
to your

2626
02:00:56,790 --> 02:00:53,520
huge pool of synchronicities my

2627
02:00:58,149 --> 02:00:56,800
my middle son my or the youngest son is

2628
02:01:03,109 --> 02:00:58,159
named saurian

2629
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:03,119
so it's i guess talking about really

2630
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:05,520
so here you are another synchronicity in

2631
02:01:12,229 --> 02:01:09,840
your life

2632
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:12,239
well so i wanted to ask you uh what

2633
02:01:16,070 --> 02:01:13,040
about

2634
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:16,080
so all this lifelong experience

2635
02:01:19,990 --> 02:01:18,719
and all these different uh uh things

2636
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:20,000
you've learned

2637
02:01:23,270 --> 02:01:22,080
what do you what is kind of do you kind

2638
02:01:24,629 --> 02:01:23,280
of have like your own personal

2639
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:24,639
conclusion about

2640
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:26,880
why was why did you have these different

2641
02:01:31,189 --> 02:01:28,800
experiences you know what

2642
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:31,199
what was it simply just your your path

2643
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:32,400
to have these

2644
02:01:35,990 --> 02:01:35,199
um uh experiences occurred throughout

2645
02:01:37,669 --> 02:01:36,000
your life

2646
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:37,679
and just kind of have to ponder about

2647
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:39,119
them or was there

2648
02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:41,760
a greater um i guess purpose for all

2649
02:01:47,589 --> 02:01:44,320
this happening

2650
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:47,599
yeah kind of mission yeah

2651
02:01:54,229 --> 02:01:51,599
oh no i i've often said to people

2652
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:54,239
that i know wow that i've never had a

2653
02:02:00,149 --> 02:01:56,719
life of my own

2654
02:02:02,550 --> 02:02:00,159
because i've never

2655
02:02:05,669 --> 02:02:02,560
i'm not saying i don't have an ego

2656
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:05,679
because because an ego

2657
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:07,840
you know the freudian ego isn't actually

2658
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:09,280
something definite

2659
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:12,000
i mean all the ego means is the dominant

2660
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:13,280
identity

2661
02:02:17,030 --> 02:02:15,840
so if you're a child and they give you a

2662
02:02:20,310 --> 02:02:17,040
name

2663
02:02:21,750 --> 02:02:20,320
and you live in a certain house and and

2664
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,760
you have certain

2665
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:23,520
toys and all of that that becomes your

2666
02:02:26,629 --> 02:02:24,880
dominant identity

2667
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:26,639
no that that's what you relate to that's

2668
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:28,000
your identity

2669
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:31,040
i'm not saying i didn't have an ego you

2670
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:31,679
know

2671
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:35,360
in that sense but i think i live more in

2672
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:38,320
myself as young would say i think i live

2673
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:42,000
apart things didn't affect me in

2674
02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:44,880
in in the negative sense of my friends

2675
02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:46,800
or my environment

2676
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:49,920
i never i never seemed to store

2677
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:52,719
any negative feeling about anything i

2678
02:02:58,310 --> 02:02:55,199
just didn't i just didn't

2679
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:58,320
and i think that

2680
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:00,239
i've never had a life of my own because

2681
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:03,520
i've never been part of society

2682
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:05,760
i've never actually all my researches

2683
02:03:10,629 --> 02:03:08,239
all my contacts with people

2684
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:10,639
have been outside of society so i've

2685
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:12,960
never been influenced by the media

2686
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,960
to the point where i don't even know

2687
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,719
who's prime minister i don't even know

2688
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:18,480
what the prime minister looks like

2689
02:03:23,030 --> 02:03:21,280
i mean that's how they things are for me

2690
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:23,040
so i've never really i'm a creative

2691
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:23,760
person

2692
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:26,480
i've stayed outside of society not by

2693
02:03:30,390 --> 02:03:27,360
choice

2694
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:30,400
but because my my

2695
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:33,760
mind is not

2696
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:36,560
cap is not captivated either by the

2697
02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:39,840
physical or the psychic

2698
02:03:50,629 --> 02:03:45,599
and so i mean i've been married

2699
02:03:53,830 --> 02:03:50,639
um no certain things have happened to me

2700
02:03:56,069 --> 02:03:53,840
i'm not i'm not i don't feel that i'm

2701
02:03:57,669 --> 02:03:56,079
literally separate from the world or

2702
02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:57,679
other people or anything like that

2703
02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:00,880
it's just my perspective is

2704
02:04:07,109 --> 02:04:05,280
is not to project any conclusion or

2705
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:07,119
identification

2706
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:09,520
onto people even though they label

2707
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:11,760
themselves i don't label them i just

2708
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:13,440
meet them as people

2709
02:04:20,629 --> 02:04:16,960
so so i feel that yes there's an

2710
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:20,639
absolute storyline to my whole life i

2711
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:20,960
think

2712
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:23,520
and it's still i mean the biggest things

2713
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:24,719
that ahead of me

2714
02:04:28,390 --> 02:04:27,840
i'm 76 but the biggest thing is ahead of

2715
02:04:32,229 --> 02:04:28,400
me

2716
02:04:35,270 --> 02:04:32,239
because my my my trajectory

2717
02:04:37,589 --> 02:04:35,280
and my spiritual path according to the

2718
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:37,599
according to the tradition the wisdom

2719
02:04:42,350 --> 02:04:38,880
tradition

2720
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:42,360
is that you know i think there is a

2721
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:43,920
transcendental realm

2722
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:45,280
and that's where the buddha is supposed

2723
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:46,960
to go nirvana

2724
02:04:50,069 --> 02:04:49,040
you can call it god or something but

2725
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:50,079
nirvana

2726
02:04:53,830 --> 02:04:52,880
there's a place that isn't to do with

2727
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:53,840
the physical

2728
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:56,320
universal multiverses and isn't to do

2729
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:57,760
with a psyche

2730
02:05:01,750 --> 02:05:00,159
but it is a is a dimension all of its

2731
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:01,760
own

2732
02:05:05,109 --> 02:05:04,560
and i've written about that in the book

2733
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:05,119
i

2734
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:08,719
usually what

2735
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:11,119
people refer to this dimension as the

2736
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:12,719
one the one mind

2737
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:15,840
or the platonic one and and

2738
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:20,159
um i've written about that

2739
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:24,719
and so i feel that there is such a place

2740
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:26,960
but i don't believe that i'm only going

2741
02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:28,320
by the tradition

2742
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:31,360
so my experience of the mind or satori

2743
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:33,599
or samadhi or this enlightenment

2744
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:36,159
is only what i call embodied it's

2745
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:37,840
embodied

2746
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:39,679
but i think what the buddha happened to

2747
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:42,320
the buddha he went out of his body

2748
02:05:47,109 --> 02:05:45,280
and personality and psyche in into

2749
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:47,119
nirvana

2750
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:49,679
and and then he came back into his body

2751
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:50,880
and it said that he had

2752
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:53,920
three bodies spirit psyche

2753
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:56,880
and physical so so he had three bodies

2754
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:58,000
the trichia

2755
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:01,679
three bodies so in in his mind

2756
02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:05,360
in his mind he he wasn't involved

2757
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:08,320
he was just simon he was just silent and

2758
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:10,000
aware

2759
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:13,520
in his psyche he was a teacher of wisdom

2760
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:15,119
so in his psyche

2761
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:17,199
culturally speaking through language he

2762
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:19,199
was a teacher of wisdom

2763
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:21,040
and he had a physical obviously had the

2764
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:23,280
physical body

2765
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:26,880
but the but the tibetan buddhists

2766
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:29,280
they say only they say that not the

2767
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:31,119
other buddhists but the tibetan buddhist

2768
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:32,000
say

2769
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:34,960
and and of course the taliban but the

2770
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:36,800
the tibetan buddhists say

2771
02:06:41,109 --> 02:06:39,840
that when buddha goes to nirvana there

2772
02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:41,119
are other levels

2773
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:43,920
beyond not beyond that but you can go to

2774
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:46,239
other places other than the physical

2775
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:46,960
universe

2776
02:06:51,510 --> 02:06:49,679
other than the psyche so we only know

2777
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:51,520
about the physical universe and the

2778
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,199
psyche and the astral

2779
02:06:56,950 --> 02:06:55,760
but there are other levels quite

2780
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:56,960
different from that

2781
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,800
that nobody knows about i mean it's not

2782
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,480
even in the books

2783
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:03,119
it's not even in the literature so my

2784
02:07:06,629 --> 02:07:03,679
feeling

2785
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:06,639
is you know not only is there possibly

2786
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:07,840
something

2787
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:10,800
so different from what we know according

2788
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,079
to my own experience

2789
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:14,400
of the mind but there's there are things

2790
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:16,400
beyond that there are other levels that

2791
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:18,800
we can go to

2792
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:21,040
so it's very interesting you know it's

2793
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:22,560
very

2794
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:25,760
um that's what i look forward to right

2795
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:29,520
well david uh it's been i'm very happy

2796
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:32,480
you um that we got in touch and for you

2797
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:33,679
to be able to

2798
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,840
at least share the story with me and and

2799
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:36,880
the people that watch

2800
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:39,119
although you've been on other places and

2801
02:07:42,149 --> 02:07:40,159
interviews and

2802
02:07:43,589 --> 02:07:42,159
i'm really glad you you connected with

2803
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:43,599
me just to

2804
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:47,679
um you know it's a very it's a

2805
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:50,560
great testament to how much of a

2806
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:52,079
lifetime of experience

2807
02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:55,199
one can have and still be in in

2808
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:58,719
awe and still have this uh passion to

2809
02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:01,040
pursue that um i guess i don't know i

2810
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:02,639
wouldn't say truth but to

2811
02:08:11,669 --> 02:08:06,840
to pursue the the yearning to understand

2812
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:14,069
well david in uh in conclusion is there

2813
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,040
anything else that

2814
02:08:22,149 --> 02:08:17,360
you would like to leave everyone else

2815
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:22,159
watching with

2816
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:29,430
well i would say you know the

2817
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:31,910
people in the ufo community or

2818
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:33,040
especially you know

2819
02:08:39,430 --> 02:08:36,400
to consider the idea that

2820
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:39,440
whatever the entities represent

2821
02:08:43,069 --> 02:08:41,440
the apparitions entities whatever you

2822
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:43,079
want however you see them

2823
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:45,199
interdimensionally

2824
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:47,119
i think that's quite apart from your

2825
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:48,880
soul and your

2826
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:54,880
and and that doesn't mean say some of

2827
02:08:58,070 --> 02:08:56,159
the entities

2828
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:58,080
might be enlightened

2829
02:09:02,149 --> 02:08:59,280
[Music]

2830
02:09:10,700 --> 02:09:02,159
and therefore they do commune commune

2831
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:12,870
[Music]

2832
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:15,520
that's very private that doesn't get

2833
02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:16,960
mixed up you don't mix

2834
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:20,239
up with your memory so yes the ai

2835
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:22,239
and the entities may have access to your

2836
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:23,760
memories you may

2837
02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:26,800
that may you know do things to that to

2838
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:28,000
that extent

2839
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:31,280
and manipulate your life

2840
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:34,400
but um i think you know when i had my

2841
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:36,880
first experience i felt it was intruding

2842
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:38,159
into my

2843
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,880
privacy but fortunately

2844
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:44,639
it didn't tell me you know it didn't

2845
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,320
kind of affect my

2846
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:48,480
essential sense of self or soul or

2847
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:49,679
spirit

2848
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:52,960
so yeah i think from that i feel that

2849
02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:56,159
my connection is benign and i

2850
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:59,119
just say that um you know people talk

2851
02:10:02,589 --> 02:10:00,079
about individual

2852
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:02,599
sovereignty and neil talks about

2853
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:05,360
individuation and self-realization

2854
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:07,199
but i think that's worth thinking about

2855
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:10,320
in parallel to all your experiences

2856
02:10:13,669 --> 02:10:12,159
it is that there are there are

2857
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:13,679
traditions

2858
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:17,520
that know about being an individual

2859
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:20,480
that means being indivisible and being

2860
02:10:24,390 --> 02:10:20,960
free

2861
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:24,400
from any form of manipulation

2862
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:26,960
voices by the world outside and the

2863
02:10:31,030 --> 02:10:28,079
inside

2864
02:10:33,910 --> 02:10:31,040
so i would say alongside you know you

2865
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:33,920
may be having all kinds of experiences

2866
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:36,960
um you know fear-based or not

2867
02:10:43,910 --> 02:10:40,400
but i think you know it's good to

2868
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:43,920
i think i think grant cameron emphasizes

2869
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:44,639
this

2870
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:46,480
quite well the consciousness thing and

2871
02:10:49,990 --> 02:10:47,840
the spiritual thing

2872
02:10:51,109 --> 02:10:50,000
but and certainly with this dream and i

2873
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:51,119
think that

2874
02:10:58,790 --> 02:10:57,750
that's like not an it's a kind of

2875
02:11:02,870 --> 02:10:58,800
antidote

2876
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:02,880
to all this fear-based and um

2877
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:04,159
you know to strengthen your

2878
02:11:12,229 --> 02:11:07,599
individuality so you can

2879
02:11:16,069 --> 02:11:12,239
gain a more objective perspective on

2880
02:11:19,430 --> 02:11:16,079
a lot of the emotional subjective

2881
02:11:22,790 --> 02:11:19,440
um trauma and things you know

2882
02:11:24,149 --> 02:11:22,800
that that seem to kind of i think

2883
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:24,159
dominate the

2884
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:28,960
ufo community really

2885
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:34,159
that's pretty much my final analysis

2886
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:36,000
well thank you for that well david i'm

2887
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:37,760
gonna in the description below i'm going

2888
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:38,000
to

2889
02:11:44,709 --> 02:11:42,960
they give you

2890
02:11:46,870 --> 02:11:44,719
have a whole library of the books you

2891
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:46,880
have written and it's quite extensive

2892
02:11:51,109 --> 02:11:49,440
is there any other websites or places

2893
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:51,119
where people could go to check out more

2894
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:52,000
information about

2895
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:54,000
you or maybe get a hold of you there's

2896
02:11:59,510 --> 02:11:56,239
no website but there's facebook and

2897
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:59,520
and there's the um

2898
02:12:05,830 --> 02:12:02,560
youtube channel and i i've i've made

2899
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:05,840
many um videos just just talking about

2900
02:12:10,069 --> 02:12:07,520
everything i know

2901
02:12:11,109 --> 02:12:10,079
on every level and so that that's

2902
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,119
available for the

2903
02:12:15,589 --> 02:12:13,679
um youtube channel well great i'm gonna

2904
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:15,599
uh later on we'll connect more and i'll

2905
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:17,360
get the links from you and put them in

2906
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:18,800
the description below the video for

2907
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:20,000
everyone else to be able

2908
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:23,280
to to a visit and view so david thank

2909
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:23,840
you again

2910
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:26,320
i'm glad we got uh to connect and

2911
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:27,840
everyone else watching i

2912
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:30,400
really appreciate your time and until